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sann
Thanks, but I guess neither of us are getting the others point. As for posting something about Mithra, don't do it on my account, I read the book some time ago Mithraic Mystery Origin or something like that).
And for the record, I agree with ukie, we don't celebrate Christmas or other traditional holidays the way others do either.
posted by
PastorB
on October 27, 2004 at 2:59 PM
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Ukie -
You're one of the few. Thanks for stopping by.
posted by
sannhet
on October 27, 2004 at 2:48 PM
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I'm Christian but I dont't celebrate Christmas...
like the world does...I celebrate Christ...most celebrate Celebration...
I don't celebrate Catholic Holdidays, like St. Patrich's Day...cause I'm not Catholic and I don't celebrate because it's the popular thing to do...I don't do halloween , mostly because I find it an ugly and comercial event...I don' t even recognize it... it doesn't mean anything to mean, other than the joy I feel when it's over.
posted by
QuailNest
on October 27, 2004 at 1:17 PM
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Uni -
Okay - My original post was pretty simple. If one wants to stop celebrating Halloween because it's based on Pagan ritual and celebration, then lets stop the other celebrations based on Pagan ritual and celebration, of which many Christians currently celebrate or partake of. That's all. There are many difference between Mithraism and Christianity, and if you would like, I can post on that. But that wasn't the intent of this particular post. Hope you have a good rest of the day.
posted by
sannhet
on October 27, 2004 at 11:45 AM
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I was merely curious
as to why you gave the supposed similarities of Mithra to Christianity and not the obvious differences. Christianity, as you may know, wasn't even in existence until A.D. 62 (apprx), so any 'rituals' and holidays you are refering to actually were in place before Christ being born and were begun at the begining of time-the Bible clearly outlines many of these that you refer to in the O.T. and it also gives information on what practices the false gods were operating under as well.
posted by
PastorB
on October 27, 2004 at 8:30 AM
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It's pretty easy actually. While Mithraism may have been secret during it's heydey, there are many, many authenticated texts that address the basics of the religion. And Mithraism was only one religion that I referred to in citing Pagan rituals and events. And I guess I don't understand your point regarding my not pointing out the differences between Mithraism and Christianity. I'm not claiming Mithraism is Christianity, I'm saying (again) that I find it fascinating that so many Christian rituals, holidays, events, etc. where being followed and celebrated by other religions long before Christianity but are claimed as Christian in the Bible.
posted by
sannhet
on October 27, 2004 at 7:03 AM
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but to address
your other statements; most Christians are aware that Christ was not born in December-if they've studied.
And I hardly think that the parrells you point out are relevant, as you failed to point out the major differences-especially with Mithraism. Which was held in such strict secrecy that there is hardly any literature on the cult. You failed to mention that they evidently had several carved images which they viewed as 'idols'-doesn't Scripture say not to make any carved images or false idols? Plus the fact that women were excluded from Mithra should tell you something right there. The origin of Mithra is so elusive; no one knows for sure where it started, some think it was Roman, some that it has Iranian origins. How can you base a belief on something has sketchy as that? Let alone use it to compare Christianity.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 7:39 PM
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sann
I was refering to 1 Corinthians 9:24.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 7:18 PM
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Sannhet...
thanks.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on October 26, 2004 at 6:17 PM
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Inn -
As Unicorn mentioned, I am only aware of the few time Yeshua/Jesus drew in the sand. And Uni, I'll pass on the race. I'm in it for the long haul, and it's going to be a loonnngggg haaauuulllll.
posted by
sannhet
on October 26, 2004 at 6:14 PM
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Hmmm. Thanks.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on October 26, 2004 at 6:03 PM
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innkeeper
No, except He drew some pictures in the sand a few times to use as illustrations.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 6:01 PM
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I hate to ask a stupid question but does anyone who knows...
anything about theology know of any actual writings attributed to Jesus? His actual hand writing the words.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on October 26, 2004 at 5:53 PM
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o.k. then
you want to race?
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 5:47 PM
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Unicorn -
I agree. Being on the path to "God" is great! I'm glad we're both working toward the same goal.
posted by
sannhet
on October 26, 2004 at 5:45 PM
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well see,
there again we disagree and that's cool.
BUT as for scripture- N.T. OR O.T. being just stories, I totally disagree-I like to call the Bible HISTORY. There is nothing to prove that it is any less than God's inspired word.
To be on the path to God is GREAT! Just so long as you are on the right path to the right God.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 4:57 PM
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Unicorn -
I'm there with you about God being here from the start. My point is if people are concerned about Halloween and its pagan beginnings and don't want to celebrate it because of that, they should also be concerned about all the others as well. The fact that the events I listed were first used by Pagan religions calls into question the authenticity of the stories of the New Testament as being real. It points to them being just that - stories. Stories used to explain the path one can take to reach "God", but stories nonetheless.
posted by
sannhet
on October 26, 2004 at 4:39 PM
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Westwend -
I believe I saw a similar article. It didn't wash with me either.
posted by
sannhet
on October 26, 2004 at 2:30 PM
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Cunning -
I'm with you. I agree with the teachings of Yeshua/Jesus. It's the
stories in the Bible that I find interesting.
posted by
sannhet
on October 26, 2004 at 2:30 PM
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Ariala -
Good point!
posted by
sannhet
on October 26, 2004 at 2:27 PM
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ah! herein lies the rub;
"Each of the items were associated with other Gods long before Christ"
Yes, there were many other gods (notice the intentional lower case), prior to Christ. But where were the other gods before God? There are still many god's, who I-and others-deem to be false gods, as there can only be one True God. None of these false gods have shown the power of GOD, why? Because they don't have it.
And, God is a triune God; Father, Son, Holy Spirit. So, technically and theologicaly, Christ was there in the begining with God and the Holy Spirit.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 12:37 PM
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My wife had been taught by her Grandmother that Halloween was the celebration of the Devil's birthday and so was not allowed to celebrate Halloween until their religious views relaxed a little.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 12:25 PM
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good
we should be aware.
i read a catholic article that went through several pages to try to show that Jesus was born on Dec 25, with all the times and calculations and centering on John the Baptist's birth.
I couldn't see it, but the writer, a cleric, most certainly did, and probably many of his readers.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 26, 2004 at 11:22 AM
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Very interesting post.
I'd like to be able to get at the truth. It's a shame that people are so invested in suppressing the facts, because, if they were true believers, they would believe that the facts would support their claims. I believe in Jesus' teachings and have faith enough to let the facts and myths be revealed.
posted by
CunningLinguist
on October 26, 2004 at 10:38 AM
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Good post! Let's not forget the offical pagan day of the Sun -Sunday,
adopted by Constantine in the early days to convert more pagans to Christianity.
posted by
Ariala
on October 26, 2004 at 10:25 AM
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