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My bias. . .
Westwind, yes, I do have a bias. My mother always told me that I carry the weight of the world on my shoulders. I care deeply for people, particularly those who are hurting. I have had several gay/lesbian friends with whom I have interacted over the years. I have watched as they've skipped from partner to partner, and the damage that has caused them emotionally. One woman had children, and it seemed like at least once a year she had a new partner, and her daughters had a new woman in their lives. There was no consistency or stability for the girls.
But regarding my bias, it is certainly one of an evangelical Christian. Although I am proud of my heritage and stand firm on my beliefs, I take no pride in the attitude many of the "fundamentalist" Christians have held, particularly as they hold their signs high in parades with hate filled statements such as "fag burn in hell." There are better ways to be had for reaching out to homosexuals, and I believe that is to show them the unconditional love of God. As a nurse, I have cared for men dying of AIDS. I have hugged their grieving lovers; I have cleaned up numerous diarrhea stools as their insides virtually rotted away; and I have dealt with the confusion of people with end stage AIDS encephalopathy.
I have seen AIDS at its worst, and that is one reason why I don't want anyone to have to suffer with that or any other sexually transmitted infection -- whether homo or heterosexual. This past January as a student nurse practitioner, I and my preceptor had to tell a young man that he was HIV infected . . . and already dealing with advanced symptoms of the disease. Not fun. Not good. That is my bias.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on November 5, 2004 at 2:11 PM
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JanesOpinion
By that logic, heterosexuality is learned as well. Yet I am sure I could only be heterosexual, because I am naturally attracted to women.
There are many, many homosexuals who were not abused and you can find no evidence at all of any kind of trauma that you seem to think all homosexuals must have. The ones I know of who were abused, were abused because they came out and not the other way around.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 5, 2004 at 2:05 PM
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You said it
[it's a natural thing -- that's right
people with proclivities don't think "choice" -- they are just what they are.
it's parents and society that makes the choices -- that chooses for them -- and you get a lot os psychological damage from that.]
My sentiments exactly, Westwend! Because of the "sins of our fathers" and the sometimes awful choices made for these children (i.e. emotional, physical, sexual abuse), they are enmeshed with significant psychological damage. But in the same way, as you have insinuated, it's NOT genetic. As I said in an earlier post, it's a learned behavior . . . forced on a very sensitive child, forever affecting his or her sexual behaviors.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on November 5, 2004 at 1:53 PM
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Old man
The "psychological" homosexuals are not real homosexuals. Just like men in jail who practice such are not real homosexuals. All of that falls into a different subject altogether. Those who are not real homosexuals have other problems and are not the ones asking to have treated as human.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 5, 2004 at 12:31 PM
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Janes
That just backs up my point. They do not choose which roles they fill, but are just doing what comes natural to them. In any relationship there is normally one who is dominate. I am really lost as to how you think because some lesbians are butch that defends the idea that they are not born that way. Were you not born heterosexual then?
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 5, 2004 at 12:27 PM
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kooka
it's a natural thing -- that's right
people with proclivities don't think "choice" -- they are just what they are.
it's parents and society that makes the choices -- that chooses for them -- and you get a lot os psychological damage from that.
I do believe, however, that there are "psychological" homosexuals, mainly men, I believe, whose encounters with women, probably starting with their mother, have been unfortunate.
also those who had no idea about sex at all really until well into adulthood -- these have problems with sex, period.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 5, 2004 at 12:14 PM
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odd Janey
yeah I've seen some of that
seen different things too
you give us a very limited picture of the situation though.
St. Louis has a considerable gay community -- I would say that they mirror the hetero community pretty well -- regular people -- regular lives.
personally I detect a bias there that colors what you see.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 5, 2004 at 12:09 PM
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Kooka,
Have you ever thought why it is that gays and lesbians, within their relationships, take on very similar male-female roles as that of a heterosexual couple? One woman tends to be butch, the other more feminine; one man tends to be more soft and feminine, the other more aggressive. The fact is that this is a perversion of God's ultimate ideal of marriage -- as being between a man and a woman.
I happen to know a lesbian couple where the "male" woman is so mannish that most people mistake her for being a man. She dresses like a man, speaks like a man. . . . Her "wife" is quite plump and cute and feminine. Their circle of friends and relatives have whole heartedly and unconditionally accepted both of them for who they are . . . and yet in the eyes of the masculine woman, there is such profound sadness. In this perfect lesbian relationship, one wonders whether she has truly found peace.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on November 5, 2004 at 12:04 PM
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Makes sense to me.
posted by
aardvark
on October 20, 2004 at 3:34 PM
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true
genetics and physiology have discovered more and more that homosexuality is (although a small percentage) as natural a disposition as heterosexuality.
but people will persist in their biases and use "scripture" as support when a lot of scripture was meant "for the present distress" as First Corinthians indicates. It pertained to that time and place and that time and place only.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 20, 2004 at 6:45 AM
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I couldn't agree more! Those who claim homosexuality is a choice need to try and pinpoint that moment when he or she made the "choice" to become heterosexual. I find it amusing when straight people seem to think they are experts on being gay.
posted by
Holy_Grail
on October 19, 2004 at 7:56 PM
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