Go to The Reverend Kooka Speaks About Religious Bulls#!t
- Add a comment
- Go to ODYSSEUS, WHAT PROOF DO YOU NEED TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO GOD?
Evangeline
'The highest form of morality is doing good for the sake of good, not for any kind of reward, including heavenly.'
Boy, if only we could get some of the die hard Christians here to understand that.
I respect the idea that there are forces that are as yet unexplained. I have a real good friend who claims to be empathic. Most of the time I think it is just he is real good at listening to people and feeling the emotions from that, but there have been times where it did seem like something more. He is an Atheist and about one of the most caring people I have ever known. He does do things just to make others happy and is truly a good person. He is much more spiritual than most Christians I have meet in my life.
I myself have experienced things that I really can not explain. Events that have felt supernatural in some way.
Is that kind of thing the work of God or a god or some form of higher being? I honestly can not say. I do not believe it to be. I think it all has to do with the power of the human mind and echoes of left by one's spirit. I feel that some day we will get to a level where we can find real explanations for all of it. And I do not believe it will be God.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 1, 2004 at 9:23 AM
| link to this | reply
Evangeline, your husband was a physics major? Dang, make him a blogger!
posted by
Ariala
on October 1, 2004 at 8:38 AM
| link to this | reply
Kooka--don't mistake me
I do not believe in the Biblical God--the evolution of the God concept can be clearly traced through evolving cultures--everyone takes the same myths and reinvents them. I don't believe in a supernatural Jesus. And logically, I can only take the position of agnostic. But I have had experiences beyond things working out, beyond serendipity. Just some really strange things. Now, my husband was a physics major in college, and has no tolerance for all that New Age mumbo jumbo, but even he gets creeped out around me! Also, I come from a cultural background where soothsaying is included with the gossip at afternoon tea. But I have no patience for religion at all. It's just another oppressive institution. It's frustrating to see the humanism behind this or that moral philosophy and then see it completely perverted by narrow, mean minds. You know, remember Kohlberg's moral stages? The highest form of morality is doing good for the sake of good, not for any kind of reward, including heavenly.
posted by
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on October 1, 2004 at 8:32 AM
| link to this | reply
Evangeline
I will agree that things happen which can not be explained. And I am unclear as to how they happen. But he ides of the Biblical God do not work for me. I can not accept those ideas as being truth. If your spiritually needs have lead you to God, then that is fine and that is where you need to be. But not everyone is going to follow that path for what is best for them spiritually.
We had a friends over last night and we got to talking about things and for all of us (Atheist all) we agreed that there seemed to be a pattern to our lives where things just work out for us all. None of us had a good explanation for it. Our basic beliefs has to do with the power of our spirit to guide us at times. But none of us saw the 'hand of God' being involved in it.
I am thinking of writing a post on the idea.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 1, 2004 at 7:17 AM
| link to this | reply
7th
Wow, did you ever miss the point of my post.
The only defense I'll make here is I used the term 'it' because God really is neither man nor woman, so I was thinking of God in a neutral terms.
You yourself lack true respect for just about everything it would appear. Everything you went and commented about had already been addressed in my post. You just decided to hate my post before you read it so the true meaning, the true ideas, were lost to you before you read word one. You are hateful towards other's who's beliefs disagree with yours. It is sad and you way have proven in the past to lead to hate and violence.
You wish for facts and logic to be hidden just so that you can spread the flawed and tragically outdated ideas of the Bible and get others to deny their own needs of spirituality in order for you to get them to blindly follow your beliefs because you can not respect the ideas of other's beliefs. You see it is possible to respect other's beliefs and point on that they are flawed at the same time. If you were not so blinded by your beliefs you would understand that. I do show respect to other's beliefs, you obviosuly do not.
God and Satan are both fictional characters and neither one has any real power over people.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 1, 2004 at 7:10 AM
| link to this | reply
Respect
First, you call our GOD...Our Father (and YOURS) "it". You have the unmitigated gaul to tell me that you can "correct my mistakes" and "point out my flaws". How gracious of you. You are correct when you say that you will not (cannot) change the beliefs of strong Christians. But, your true goal is to try to snatch those who are on the fence about their beliefs out of the hands of their Loving Father. AND, at the same time, you say you want respect. I got news for you...even the god you follow, the prince of this earth whom you seek to please, doesn't respect or love you. he wants you to follow him into perdition, and, it seems you are preparing well for the trip. I will be posting a blog on what YOUR Heavenly Fatheer really thinks about witches and witchcraft later today. Read and feel free to comment.
posted by
7th_Trump
on October 1, 2004 at 5:23 AM
| link to this | reply
evangeline
aristotle gives a pretty logical proof for the existence of God.
Your story about your trip with your mother was beautiful. The desire to believe comes from the divine and it is written on our hearts.
posted by
AnCatubh
on September 30, 2004 at 11:35 PM
| link to this | reply
Logically, there is no proof of God, nor proof God doesn't exist.
But there is something deep in the human psyche which desires God and I haven't quite figured that out yet. I believe that consciousness is a property, like gravity or electromagnetism. Even quanta have consciousness. So if there is a god, for me it would be universal consciousness. But Kooka, I have had so many strange experiences that I would never rule out the supernatural. I took my mom on this trip to the Canyonlands. My mom looks at the cliffs and tells me my name is painted in the canyon. My nickname is Ange. Sure enough, eroded into the canyon wall was ANge. That same trip a hummingbird flew into my chest and let me hold it. At the Grand Canyon the ranger said we had the most beautiful sunset he had ever seen in his 10 years working there. At White Sands it poured rain so hard that wide shallow lakes formed over the sand. The ranger there said she had never witnessed anything like it. It was such a magical experience. The following year my mom had the first of her three heart failures and she is on borrowed time now. I can't help but feel something out there was giving her the trip of her life. But I can't say with certainty, of course.
posted by
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on September 30, 2004 at 9:20 PM
| link to this | reply