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I think in a great many cases it's fear that stops certain individuals from facing up to the fact that what they believe in might not be true. When fear is coupled with a desperate need not to lose face and admit you might just be wrong, it's a combination that few have the moral strength to deal with.
posted by
Witty_Woman
on September 26, 2004 at 8:19 AM
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freerain
I am not really frustrated with them. I guess they can get on my nerves a little, btu I do not let it get ot me. I have many other real things in my life that work me up to let most of the Christians do that here (Although there is P.I.M.P., but I have a whole Blog dealing with that.)
I do not claim to have no ego at all. I do say I have less ego than many. I am not righteous in my need to be right as so many who are religious are though. I cannot escape form the failings of man, but I can fight against them and do all in my power to make sure I am a god example of what man can be when one becomes aware of one's own failings and is willing ot admit to them.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 26, 2004 at 7:00 AM
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justA
There is truth, in that everything had to start from somewhere and the the trees grow and the wind blows and the little bunny hops along the field. But there the is 'the truth' that you hold to about there being God and that it is this God who created it all. They are not the same 'truths'.
Yes, only the truth can accrue and that can be proven. The truth is that the Earth orbits the sun as do the other planets and the moon orbits the Earth and that our solar system is part of the galaxy and so on an so forth. All of that can be 100% proven to be true and has been, and is there for the truth. It has always been the truth, even though we did not know is to be truth. In fact at one point they believed truth was that the Earth was the center of the universe. This was 'the truth' for some time because man believed it ot be the truth and acted just as you are acting on the truths you believe which are not proven to be truths. But God can not be proven, nor can it be proven that God created anything. That is a 'truth' you believe in. It is truth that you should be rational about and accept as to being fact, but rather opinion.
You also seem to have this strange obsession with saying there is only one truth. There are many, many truths in life. Most truth are simple. The sun will rise in the morning over most of the world is a simple truth that no sane person would challenge. Now I had to add in 'most of the world' because there are areas that at times do not se the sun for days because of the tilt of the Earth, and so the truth is not that the sun will rise in the morning there because sometimes it will not, and that is another truth. These are truth of nature and the world that one can not escape and that are proven time and time again so we know they are truths.
'Since the beginning of time…the only thing that has ever occurred…is The Truth.' And I can not really disagree with that, but just because you say the Bible is what tells us this 'truth' means nothing to me. I have yet to see proof that the Bible is 'truth'. There is no proof out there. Most proof I have found, outside of people's beliefs, points to the Bible being a work of fiction created by the Church to control people. And that seems to be a 'truth' that many believe in. While for you the Bible is a 'truth' that you believe in, but can not be proven.
There ar truths that are real truths that can and have been proven and those truths are out there. Then there are 'truths' and those are ideas of man that can not be proven and are based in individual beliefs. Your 'truths' are just as valid as mine because we both know, even if you will not admit to this, that there is not proof of our 'truths' available to us right now. The proof should be out there one way or the other and maybe someday man will find it. Until then neither one of us can claim that our beliefs are the 'true truth'.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 26, 2004 at 6:55 AM
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1. Justa 2. Freerain
1. What truth is -- is.
That is, what is is.
But Truth??? -- that's been a mystery ever since the word was conceived.
There is truth as opposed to falsity. If something is untrue, then it is not true (great Yogi Berra impersonation eh?) -- then we come to levels of validity -- infinite, for the Great Truth? -- "The Truth is out there." (X-Files) -- it is still out there.
Only levels of validity.
Truth, as The Great Truth, is what the individual thinks it is.
2. True -- that is Truth -- what is Truth? There is no Truth. The best we can do is seek the more valid.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 26, 2004 at 6:49 AM
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freerain
I like your comment…very intuitive. You said, “There is no evidence of anything ever "being created"”. Did you not just create your “comment” here??? Creation is not a singular event…it is a process. All Things…arrive by way of having been created…even you. There is no “reality removed”…passed on or not. When the sperm and egg met…You where created…from an event. Go out right now and create something…anything that you imagine…when you are done…try telling me “There is no evidence”. No matter what you do, manufacture or make…you create...just as you were created. Go ahead…try an do something without creating…you can’t do it. “Creation” is all that there is…you cannot do anything without creating…something else. And still you say, “No Evidence”???
By the way…Evolution is Creation!!!
posted by
justAcarpenter
on September 26, 2004 at 1:40 AM
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Kooka, take a deep breath
and release all your frustration those pin headed Christians have pressed on you and let it go. Realize that it isn''t MANKIND that has an ego that is at fault here, it is the SUPREME EGO of a SUPREME being that has been devised to make mankind (priests not included, of course) feel inferior to it, so that it can be SUPREME. You don't have an ego in you that keeps you from realizing that you don't know everything and you are willing to explore and USE YOUR MIND to come to an awareness of the existence that you experience. You are not bound up by the words of others to tell you what that existence is, where it came from or for what reason it exists--you are free to discover these things for your self. Sadly, the Christian is not, since they have defaulted their minds to the writing of others and what they are told is "The Truth" by calling it a word, and that word is God. You are a part of mankind, so if you can disolve yourself of a prideful ego, so can others in the family of man, as I have also, we are testamonies that it is in our nature to not hold on to absolutes, to let life unfold its mysteries to us and learn more than what was learned, what is known and hold on to the creative element of the human imagination to create new ideas from things before considered unimaginable.
As for the carpenter, what creation? There is no evidence of anything ever "being created" even if you want to use the bible for your reference, God (or whatever you want to start with) did not create the life in Adam--he passed it on to him--by breathing "life" into him. It is, of course, and alegory, meant to remove the reality of life giving from the female and make it a male act, placing him as superior. Women are more sensible than that, they realize it take both sexes to produce a new living being--they don't "create" life, it is just passed on. Biology 101 --the female egg and the male sperm and both "living cells" that merge and begin the chemical/biological program that results in an other living being.
posted by
freerain
on September 26, 2004 at 12:21 AM
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kooka
Since the beginning of time…the only thing that has ever occurred…is The Truth. Is that statement a belief or is it a fact? You tell me, can anything other than The Truth occur? The Truth is all that has ever occurred, and this a fact that has not changed since the beginning. Furthermore, The Truth is not what I “believe” it to be…it is what it...regardless of my belief.
You said, “The 'truth' you believe in is the 'truth' you and others have created to fits you desires in a belief.” When you walk outside and see the trees, grass and birds, do you consider them to be The Truth or a lie? Did you create those things…did I? The same thing that created them…created you, that's a fact. So you are wrong, I did not create what I know to be The Truth…I was created by it and so were you…I do believe in The Truth that allowed me to exist…don’t you.
What name is there…for The Truth…other than “The Truth”?
posted by
justAcarpenter
on September 25, 2004 at 9:16 PM
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