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god aint fiction
which is about as much as i will let myself delve into the subject...if u dont dig it...u dont get it...but laws 1 and 2 are interconnected and proping law 2 in limbo will get you quiet a way but not all the way...
posted by
sunfever
on September 15, 2004 at 10:09 AM
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sunfever
I agree with 'love your neighbor as yourself', which is basically the golden rule which firmly beleive in and think that we could fix all of our problems is more people would see the truth in that. They claim to, but yet do not even come close to following it.
As for 'love the lord your god with all your heart and being' because so many seem to believe this one it cause them to not follow the neighbor idea. They put this fictional God above all else and it takes away from being able to live with others.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 15, 2004 at 10:00 AM
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kooka nitpickin wont do...
god had also sanctioned ethnic cleansing...and jesus came to uphold the law and not erase it
there are many inconsistencies in the bible - but there is one underlying theme which runs thro and thro - love
to actually get a full perspective on why the fuck god sanctioned ethnic cleansing (if ever he did) you will have to get to the library in forever and look at the life records of the period...
"at present we look and speak thro a mirror partially...." paul - 1 corinithians ch 13 (ok am not quoting verbatim)
it took me the better part of 34 years to get over the self righteous anguish, indignation and anger at the seeming injustices of god in the bible...
there are two universal constants - love and truth - there are more constants but not very relevant in this context...
am not goin to quibble over what truth is but can safely say it is like a mathematical equation, in fact better, valid in all contexts across time, space and existential awareness - the bible provides a bare bones skeleton of that structure - driven by the principle: "give the savages nothing more than is needed"...something like the prime directive capt james t kirk of the uss enterprise had to adhere to in his stellar roams in star trek...flesh it out with your color and you are well on your way home...truth is also light...
the rationalism you employ in identifying or objectifying truth is part of a larger cultural stream...for technical reasons (which i can percieve dimly and hence cant articulate other than rage like a rabid dog at the bastards for pumping rhetoric and empiriciscm as legit methods for truth investigation) that mechanism of rationalization is reaching a kind of zenith...in fact had reached the zenith* and with nowhere to go is currently trying to spread itself into a plateau...calling itself the promised land (the mythology of the religion of science and commerce)...but due to the imecibility (some would call it "evil") of the underlying form which supports this plateau it will eventually cave in...after that what happens is anybody's guess...but god knows...
love is even simpler - u know it - am not so stupid as to attempt to define love :-)
one example i can think of is your instinctive reaction to preserve your life at the expense of the cow (not quoting verbatim) who wanted to kill you in one of your posts, thats an excercise in self love - when you love your self completely - your love for everyone else goes kinda ballistic *smile* ...but to love yourself, you have to know yourself, to know yourself you have to know god and hence you arrive at the only two laws which really matter:
1. love the lord your god with all your heart and being
2. love your neighbour as yourself
source references if you are interested in lookin em up....
the bible - of course!
ayn rand - a romantic manifesto (very upitty but enjoyable once you strip away her holier than thou posturizing)
*robert pirsig - zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance (an enquiry into values - i loooooove this book)
doris lessing - canopus in argos (archives) - a series of 5 books - sci-fi - but illuminative sci-fi
m scott peck - the road less travelled - its actually a 'course correction' manual if you pay attention
posted by
sunfever
on September 15, 2004 at 9:42 AM
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yep
something good came of it huh?
back to divorce
Yeshua said, "what GOD joins together . . . "
if two people are incompatible from the first, I would think "god" hasn't joined them together.
But if two people are totally "with" each other, then I would think God has joined them.
In the first case, a man-devised marriage, religious or secular ceremony, is moot.
IN the second case, it isn't needed. It is good to "ratify" the marriage.
Now am I ever gonna get in to trouble from a few of these other bloggers.
sorry.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 14, 2004 at 4:08 PM
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Westwend
Now I can just use that to point out to everyone as to why it is a waste of my time to beleive. Due to you being a bastard, I can't get into heaven anyway, so what's the point of trying?
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 14, 2004 at 4:03 PM
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Y-L-F
I do not hold the Bible to be any kind a source of authority. What you just said is very clearly the point I am trying to make. People should not pick and choose if they beleive the Bible to be the word of God. Now the basic idea is this, if you hold the Bible as a source of authority then you can not pick and choose from it, but must take it as a whole. I do not, so I pick nothing from it. I believe what I believe.
A for divorce, if you follow the good old Christian values then you marry a person before you really get to know them. Trust me, I know of many times when this has happened. So once they get to know the person there can be some very big problems. Physical and physiological abuse, ideas about life that just do not work together. Also people do change. the person you marry may not be the same person after a few years. Stress can drastically alter a person and turn them into a problemed individual. Also, even with dating a person that person can easily hide who they are as long as you are not living with them. It is too easy to not end up married to who you though you were marrying. So there are times when divorce makes a lot of sense.
Of course as I pointed out, God believes in divorce, so if you beleive the Bible to be God's word, then divorce is fine as long as it is the man who wishes it. You'll notice the woman really has no say one way or the other.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 14, 2004 at 3:28 PM
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back to divorce
it ain't good.
you showed that if a woman is dissatisfied, the man can put her away and then she's free to do what she pleases.
good idea
the man if given freedom to handle the situation as he pleases because he's the one in control.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 14, 2004 at 2:44 PM
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your kid
kid
I think I've been an influence on him.
I try to teach him how to treat his dad.
when I get back out there, we'll try a few more things.
in the meantime, I'm helping you stay ahead of me here huh?
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 14, 2004 at 2:43 PM
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Ok, but I do not agree with divorce because I do not agree with
marrying the wrong person. That solves both problems. But you can't use the Bible as a source of authority if you are going to pick and choose from it.
posted by
TARZANA
on September 14, 2004 at 2:29 PM
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Y-L-F
I do agree with divorce, but not in the simple way it is presented there. There are times when a divorce is the right thing for people.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 14, 2004 at 2:24 PM
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westwend
Don't worry, he is already make my life crazy.
I don't really mind it, but he does a good job of adding difficulties to my life.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 14, 2004 at 2:23 PM
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Y-L-F
No, I am not a beleiver you see.
I think am one of those God tells them to stay away from and treat like crap.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 14, 2004 at 2:21 PM
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So you agree with the divorce and the stoning to death of any woman who has played the prostitute and is no longer a virgin?
posted by
TARZANA
on September 14, 2004 at 2:17 PM
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what's this? it skips generations
so -- boy are you ever screwed.
I'm a bastard -- at least anybody who calls me that hits the nail right on the head --
so what does this mean?
well, now, looks like 12 generations since your kid's one too.
it is interesting, though -- what somebody came up with to make up a set of laws.
shows the bias of the times.
but -- since "every word of god", as Paul puts it, is valid and, "Man shall not live by bread along, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of god."
That means Christians have to re-evaluate their beliefs. Conform to Deuteronomy, right?
although later on, there is some interesting stuff about electing judges and what will happen in they decide they want a king.
anyways, we bastards have to stick together, don't we grandson? -- gang up on your dad.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 14, 2004 at 2:13 PM
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