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Wow heel
You seem to like proving a person's case for them.
Not sure what you thought to gain from that comment, but it goes against what you were first trying to say. I know there was suppose to be a level of sarcasim in it, but it just came off as being ignorant.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 11, 2004 at 4:40 PM
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In that case, Ev, there are two "theys"
And you are an atheism-pushing, baby-killing, pot-smoking, terrorist-sympathizing, anti-establishment, anti-capitalist, feminist, naturalist, apocalyptical, homosexual hippy.
Are you saying you are part of that "they," or did I just hurl an insult, thereby making me a full-fledged member of the other "they."
posted by
heel
on September 11, 2004 at 7:44 AM
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Sorry, heel
Let us dispense with political correctness. When certain people act with a group mentality, mimic group speak, behave stereotypically, believe prejudical concepts without seeking personal experience or documented confirmation, they are a they. And this is not my original thought. This argument was put forth by Shelby Steele in an article called "The Age of White Guilt: And the Disappearance of the Black Individual", in the November 2002
Harper's magazine. It is primarily about racism, but it translates to any group mentality. Read it. You'll see what I mean.
posted by
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on September 9, 2004 at 11:30 AM
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Comments below are stereotyping
Do all conservatives, for example, insult and accuse? Is the insult and accusation market cornered by the conservatives? And there are an awful lot of "theys" in the comments on a post that was mostly about one person.
I think the spirit of the original post was anti-stereotyping. The comments here are far from it.
posted by
heel
on September 9, 2004 at 10:46 AM
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Kooka is right
Reason doesn't work whatsoever. They label you a "liberal" and write you off and never read the rest of your blogs. But if you get nasty, or rude they keep coming back for more--which is good because they and their ilk do end up reading your view and there is that hope that someone will recapitulate--will see that there is a kinder, better way. That is not to say that I use a calculated rhetoric with these types. They do get my blood up and I am very emotional about certain issues in these scary political times. But they don't understand "nice". They like to be provoked. Like you, I have dedicated my life to educating minority populations, from nursery to college. I grew up poor and its my way to pay something back for my opportunities. These kids I used to teach at the college came from the very, very dangerous neighborhoods just blocks from my house. There are always shootings back there. Yet, in the class, they are delightful. How can it be that the same kids who surround me and hug me and chatter happily at me are shooting guns at one another? Yet it is. I am pretty fearless (suicidal chronic pain makes one so), so when I hear trouble, I run right to it. It drives my husband nuts. We had a girl flip over an SUV right in front of the church across the street. I grabbed the phone and ran out barefoot stepping on the glass and all. The priest next door came out of the rectory and just watched from a safe distance. It turned out that the car was her friend's, bought with drug money, and that her friend's boyfriend would kill her because she totaled a car that wasn't supposed to exist. She was screaming that they would come for her. I took her name and then went to visit her at Charity. I was very chatty, telling everyone who came over the week she was in there that my husband was a Fed...after I had taken photos and photos for a "memory book" that she would one day look back on and laugh at. Later, her mother was weeping, thank you, oh thank you, because I had photos of everyone. Everyone. I told her to call me if anything seemed off. She never did and I just pray it went over okay. I still have those photos.
posted by
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on September 8, 2004 at 9:40 PM
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Another way to go
What I find works best here on Blogit is to not directly address the issue. Instead mock it and mock it big time. That is what makes them back down. When you try to be serious and reason with them it never works. But when you mock whatever it is they have said about you, they almost always back down and remove whatever post it was that started it. For some reason they just can not handle being mocked. If whatever they said ends up being a joke to you then they are doing it wrong. Just do not take such things seriously and make it clear to them that you do not.
Mocking is not the kind of attention they desire and so they run from it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 8, 2004 at 7:14 AM
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posted by
kooka_lives
on September 8, 2004 at 7:10 AM
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You're all right.
I give up.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 8, 2004 at 6:27 AM
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a conservative tactic in the U.S. that I am sure you are noticing
in the Bush campaign is simply to state either insults or accusations over and over without fact until people "give in" and believe it. It is a marketing strategy..... Goods are sold by repetition, not fact. The numberr of repetitions used to be four, required to get a potential customer to notice your product (I learned this in college.) It is now a much larger number due to the proliferation of marketing "messages." But repetition is still the key. Logic and facts don't play in there anywhere.
Not that I'm recommending you try it... It's no way to run a country -- or a church.
posted by
sarwood
on September 8, 2004 at 4:35 AM
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Old Man
Give it up. P.I.M.P. is not going to listen to reason. He has decided to play the race card, which never makes any sense at all to me. I went through a similar thing with Mighty Holy Warrior (P.I.M.P. reminds me a lot of MHW in so many ways, but without the sense of dignity MHW had) way back when I made a comment that I am friends with a good deal of minorities and none of them thought the way he did. He jumped on the race card with a passion. P.I.M.P. is not wanting to listen to reason or logic. No matter what you say he will know better than you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 7, 2004 at 6:02 PM
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As you know, it is easy to call names. It is easy to defame and make uninformed accusations. This is all easy, but wrong.
It's harder to research, refute. and reconcile. This is all hard, but right.
posted by
aardvark
on September 7, 2004 at 1:38 PM
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