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P.I.M.P.

But you are saying that because they are gay they should not have the same rights as straight people. You are saying that they should not be allowed to choose who they should spend their lives with. You are saying that they should be punished because they are not like you. How dare two people of the same sex have an adult relationship and wish to commit to each others. You are saying that anyone like that has no right to do as straight people do and gain the benefits that come with it. You are saying that people should be penalized for their lifestyles if it does not agree with what you feel is right. It is taking away a person's rights because they are gay and that does say that gays are less than people and should be treated so. Although I have read your Blogs, so I know you have a hatred for homosexuals and that if you had you way there would be laws against it.

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 8:06 PM | link to this | reply

your claim to be logical is nothing but gibberish. Why? because no one is trying to stop gays from being gay because they tell them they are in error. They have no right to marry in this country. Not yet. That is the issue. 

posted by P.I.M.P. on August 25, 2004 at 6:58 PM | link to this | reply

PS, P.I.M.P.

I just love how mature you acted there.

'I think you and the governor of New Jersey have something in common' was just such an adult thing to say. Although it sounded to me more like something I might hear in Junior High. Because I am will to defend people's who's lifestyle is different from mine I must be just like them. After all you good and moral Christians will not defend any lifestyle that you do not agree with and therefore neither will anyone else. Screw the Constitution and the idea of people have rights and freedoms. No one really cares about such thing after all.

If it helps your twisted ego to beleive I am really gay and am just hiding it for some reason, then fine. Believe as you will. You have already made it very clear you like to beleive in fiction after all. It just helps to show me that your morals are very lacking and that in the end you ar no better than the Christian of the past who have gone and destroyed those who followed different beliefs, in the name of God. You are steps away form becoming everything you claim you God is against.

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 6:39 PM | link to this | reply

P.I.M.P.

Since you know all, please show me what is stupid about it.
I look back on history to see possible patterns.
I look at how mankind works.
I use logic when I make such statements.
History says that once we start to give up the rights of some, more and more rights will follow because we will have opened a door that is going to be hard to close.
Once you and who think as you do take the rights away from the gay community, it will not be long before you find someone else's rights to take away.
Sooner or later there is a great chance that you will take away my rights if you do this.
By trying to control a person's lifestyle you are doing more harm than you know.

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 6:32 PM | link to this | reply

I think you and the governor of New Jersey have something in common. That has got to be the stupidest bunch of crap I have ever heard.

posted by P.I.M.P. on August 25, 2004 at 6:11 PM | link to this | reply

P.I.M.P.

So you are not trying to take away people's rights because they are homosexual? You are not trying to enforce you brand of morals upon others? You are not trying to say that we need to base our lives on the Bible? You see those are the ideas I have seen in your post and they will lead us down a dark path and practically destroy our freedoms.

I am not big on any public display of affection. I may give my wife a quick peck on the lips from time to time, but it is rude for anyone to be going at it hot and heavy in any public place where there may be children around. I would not wish for them to see a heterosexual couple going at it very hot and heavy. Those are the kind of things that should be done behind closed doors. Now two guys holding hands does not bother me. As for sexual preference, it is their rights as adult to decided for themselves how to live their lives. I will tell my boys that there is nothing wrong with that. You see as a good parent I am not going to teach my children to judge people by their lifestyles or beliefs. I do not believe that children should learn to think the way groups like the KKK or the Nazis do.

A friends of mine has even said that she uses a gay couple as an example to her boys as to how a healthy couple should get a long. She sees these two men as a stronger couple than many straight couples she has known. And since homosexual have not gone and tried to convert or force their life style choices on me, I am more likely to see them as understanding the idea of freedom better than anyone who uses outdated ideas from a book that in itself even at one point says those ideas are outdated.

Once you start making any laws that effect a group of adults lifestyle choices just because they do not agree with yours, you are starting a destructive pattern that can easily turn into depriving more and more people of their rights. I do not understand homosexuality, but I will defend anyone's right to live that lifestyle and be allowed the same privileges as any other citizen of this country. If we do not do this then we are saying that it is all right to take rights away form those we disagree with and sooner or later that idea will come back and bite us because our rights will get taken away by using the same logic.

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 5:26 PM | link to this | reply

I think you are letting your imagination run away with you. No one is planning any dark future for you or desiring that you disappear. You are American and I personally have nothing against you. I don't care that you don't believe in God. I have an obligation to tell you about Jesus Christ. You've rejected him. my job is complete. I can oppose Homosexuality just as you can defend it. I know that it's wrong without the bible. "Evolution" would even show that men are not made to wollow in the filth that is in another man's behind. If you love your children and I'm sure you do, you should not want them growing up in an environment where two nasty mouthed men are hugging and kissing all over the place and you stand there talking about "thats alright kids" they're married. If that's where your head is at there's something else wrong with you.

posted by P.I.M.P. on August 25, 2004 at 5:06 PM | link to this | reply

P.I.M.P.

Most of the Atheists I know and associate with have the more morals than a good deal of the Christians I have met in my life. In fact unlike various Christians, the Atheist I know do not look for reason to hate or put others down (You know like if someone were say homosexual or had a different system of beliefs). The generally are willing to accept others for who they are and not judge by lifestyle, but by the person and the person's actions. If you look back and read some of my post you will see I defend this idea and that I truly believe that if we were to achieve and Atheist state we would be much better off.

And this is as much my country as it is yours. If you had your way you would ship all of us who did not beleive as you (You know, us who wish to live with freedom and have rights and all that stuff) and ship us out. You would love it if this country were nothing but brainwashed idiots agreeing with every outdated idea in the Bible. I've read enough of your posts to know what direction you think the country needs to go. It scares me that you are not alone. But as long as we have and follow the Constitution, the dark future you wish for us will never come to be.

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 4:14 PM | link to this | reply

P.I.M.P. -- I love the no morals part of your comment

It entails an immediate assumption of a position of moral authority and a prejudice towards opposing viewpoints  

posted by gomedome on August 25, 2004 at 3:44 PM | link to this | reply

So you want a country with no morals. And no christians. All atheists. What makes you call "this" your country?

posted by P.I.M.P. on August 25, 2004 at 3:33 PM | link to this | reply

P.I.M.P.

I know of no one who religiously believes in mermaid, the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause or any of them to the point where they start infringe on my rights and my country's well being. Believers in God (Such as yourself) go and use the Bible and God as excuse to take away people's rights. You wish to keep those who do not agree with you beliefs down. You wish to create a world where we are not truly free but rather follow you religious beliefs in our everyday lives. You want people to be mindless drones. I wish to counter such activity because I enjoy having freedom and beleive that others should be allowed the same freedom. As long as people like you are out there to spread messages of hate and intolerance, there will be a need for people like me to try and get the message of acceptance and free thinking out there.

I am not lying to myslef. I am postive that there is no God. I am not the one who is so scared that my faith might weaken that I am saying poorly thought out arguments that contain no logic as a way to defend myself. (Just by you saying There must be a God for you not to believe in", that shows a very strong lack of logic on your part) I am also not so afraid that I must either convert everyone to my views or force them to be quiet so that I can feel safer about my beliefs. I personally rather enjoy real debate over beliefs. It inspires free thinking. Normally when you get someone who can really debate the issue my beliefs and strengthen by it.

Why can't you just say God does exist and move on? If it really came down to just that we would not have a problem. If I were to just fade away there would still be you and others like you here to try and convert people and promote your outdated beliefs, that can only keep pulling civilization down as it has been for the last few centuries.

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 2:39 PM | link to this | reply

kookites

I knew you would take the bait. So tell me,.. Why aren't you writing volumes of gibberish trying to prove there are no mermaids? or no Easter bunny? or no Santa? Why is it you have to declare before the world that you are an atheist? Why do you spend hours and days trying to prove that God does not exist? If he doesn't exist as mermaids don't exist, as santa doesn't exist, why waste your time arguing the point? What's the big deal? Just say God doesn't exist and move on. You can't! Because you are lying to yourself, and trying to convince yourself of the lie! And these ding-bats who pat you on the back are in the same boat. You spend your time trying to convince and reinforce one another in the lie you tell to yourselves. You have to argue the point and go around and around chasing your "tail of so-called logic" to try to keep yourself convinced. 

posted by P.I.M.P. on August 25, 2004 at 1:58 PM | link to this | reply

kooka, you are right. I am sad to say that what you say is true.  I am sadden that so many Christians do not hold true to what they say they believe in. Of course, no one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes - but there are many times that, like you say, they seem to think they can ignore some morals and values that they say they believe in and uphold, just to get a point across.  It is truly mixed up.  I am not saying that I have never acted in a way that I believe is wrong - why do I do this - I don't alwaysknow! Am I sorry afterwards - usually!  I sometimes know why I act in a way I believe I shouldn't - I let my emotions take over and get so angry or sad that I end up not caring what I do.  This is not good and you can bet I am ashamed of myself and try to do better next time.  We surely are complex beings, aren't we? (sorry for the rambling)

 

posted by MariVye on August 25, 2004 at 9:07 AM | link to this | reply

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK KID

looks like they're doing just what you said they would do.
The find someone to hit on and they come out full force.
It's the force of what they believe that does it.
I've had these "Christians" coming out of the woodwork for most of my life -- if you don't see what they see they get their noses pretty well out of joint.
they make blanket statements that don't really mean anything, but they try -- actually it's like the gospel preachers I keep hearing just before my radio show (Saturdays @ 1:45 Central time over WGNU in St. Louis -- go to WGNU.net and click on the rectangle -- it won't be this Saturday, but the next -- and every other Saturday after that)
It's "praise the lord" and "fight the devil" and "hallelujah!" - but not a word about how to live.
they're pretty well settled and satisfied in their own niches -- they see a niche just opposite them and it could be they feel threatened -- it could also be they feel obligated to say something, either to try to convert you, like some have tried (The Great Commission of Matthew 24), or to make certain that your views aren't the only ones expressed.
Either way, we do come out with a pretty good discussion.
Oh yes, Steelerman, I've read some of the stuff you've written to and about Evangeline -- there are times I concur with her perceptions of you.

posted by Xeno-x on August 25, 2004 at 9:02 AM | link to this | reply

MariVye

That is one problem I have often had with Christians here and in my life. They claim to be loving and all that and yet that so no signs of real morals, but rather walk around with a superiority complex. You can look back through history and see that there is a pattern of such behavior. Christians really do have a very hard time accepting the idea that others may not believe as they do. In those cases it seems that some find it acceptable to follow practices that do not agree with their beliefs and somehow this is for the greater good.

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 8:19 AM | link to this | reply

P.I.M.P.

"There must be a God for you not to believe in"

So must there be a Santa for peopel to not belvie in? Or the Easter Bunny? Or the Tooth Fairy?

All in all that was not a very well thought out line."There must be a God for you not to believe in"

So must there be a Santa for people to not beleive in? Or the Easter Bunny? Or the Tooth Fairy? Or dragons? How about mermaids? And of course you have bigfoot that people do not believe in.

So you are saying that if there a non-belief in something that just proves that such a thing must exist if people beleive it does not Which would say that if people would beleive it exists that would prove it does not exist.

I think I may have just given any blogger who reads this comment a headache.

All in all that was not a very well thought out line P.I.M.P. But you did entertain as Gomedome said, so good work. Any more logicless words of wisdom?

posted by kooka_lives on August 25, 2004 at 8:15 AM | link to this | reply

Christians who bash others (for any reason) are not doing what God truly instructs God-believers to do, which is to show love even to those we disagree with and to those that hate us.  Also, you made a good point on one of your comments on one of Ariala's posts about the fact that most people notice those that disagree with us more than we notice those that don't agree with us.  I had not looked at it like that.  Since I am usually over-sensitive this would be even more true for me than for some, I suppose. Anyway, thanks for expressing your beliefs, feelings, and thoughts.  I do wish that more people could be more accepting.

posted by MariVye on August 25, 2004 at 7:56 AM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives --- as I said before you get the best wacko comments

and by far the most entertaining.

posted by gomedome on August 25, 2004 at 6:08 AM | link to this | reply

AAaaaaaah that feels better doesn't it. You're a 5%er. That's almost like being a movie star or something. I'm glad you know who you are. Or at least who you think you are. I know enough about who we "all" are, to know that you and people like you, are lying to yourself. There must be a God for you not to believe in. Just call yourself the lying 5%.

posted by P.I.M.P. on August 25, 2004 at 2:43 AM | link to this | reply

"God" is whatever your mind wants it to be because religion is  your imagination rationalizing. So if you believe in God---great.  If you draw your own conclusions, I think you are wise.  Nice post

posted by hooker on August 24, 2004 at 9:59 PM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives -- It is just recently that I started becoming more vocal

as well. At first mostly to protect my kids from halfwitted bible thumpers who think it is all right to tell a young child that the world is about to end soon or some other such drivel about hell and damnation that is unfit for young ears.  

posted by gomedome on August 24, 2004 at 9:25 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks Hollee

With Steelerman61, I have found yet another Blogger whos posts I am going to try and not read because I really do not like reading about such hate filled ideas.

posted by kooka_lives on August 24, 2004 at 9:14 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka -

the It Takes all Kinds post on Aug. 23 called Here we go again

posted by Hollee on August 24, 2004 at 8:55 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka - are you asking where I got that quote from? If so, it is

one of Steelerman's posts.

posted by Hollee on August 24, 2004 at 8:53 PM | link to this | reply

Hollee

But you will notice he never used the words stupid or ignorant in that. And as he said 'I guess character does matter' and such a comment speaks loudly about a person's character.

Who's post was that a reply to?

posted by kooka_lives on August 24, 2004 at 8:48 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Steelerman saying he's not called anyone stupid or ignorant . . .

Let me quote him: "The hatred, arrogance,  conceit and vanity of this blogger is incredible. It is obviously the writings of someone who has many deep psychological problems or scars from previous life's experiences. This person has obviously not strong enough mentally to overcome these problems or fears."

Insulting enough, I'd say.

And Kooka - Excellent post dear. Well thought out - well said.

posted by Hollee on August 24, 2004 at 8:39 PM | link to this | reply

Steelerman

Seems you missed some of my point there though.
I was not whining about being called anything due to my beliefs. I was just stating fact in order to make a point. I do not let such things get to me. I was just pointing out that Christians have attacked me at some level due to my beliefs.
And if your beliefs are right, then there really is no point to believing because as far as I can figure from the Bible it is already decided how many will be allowed in Heaven and God already knows who they will be. So beleive or not, you have just as much a chance of making it as I do. But since there is no Heaven neither of us have anything to worry about.

posted by kooka_lives on August 24, 2004 at 8:33 PM | link to this | reply

I have been called stupid and ignorant by Evangeline so you can stop that whining about being called that because you are atheist, HA! I have never called anyone on here stupid or ignorant so I guess character does matter. I may have said someone was wrong but not stupid and ignorant. I believe in God and the Bible. You do not. That is your right. Thank you for coming out to proclaim your decision. I just hope that you are right and I am wrong. If I am wrong then big deal however, if you are wrong then that is one less soul in heaven. AND no I am not saying that I am going to heaven. I certainly hope that I can spend eternity with Christ.Of course, that is the belief of my religion. Again, thank you for your announcement.

posted by RedStatesMan on August 24, 2004 at 8:20 PM | link to this | reply