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curly baby
are you talking about a male anthopomorphic god?
we are god and we are part of god.
what we do is god.
period.
personal relationships??
that aint nowhere in the bible -- cept for abraham
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 3, 2004 at 6:45 PM
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Have fun, Kooka.
It is apparent that you do not have a personal relationship with the Creator. There are laws that exist in the universe for our good. They were not created by man. By placing himself as the final authority on what is good and what is bad, how to behave and how not to behave, almighty man has turned the world into one big ball of chaos. I leave you to your beliefs, and hope that one day you will meet the Creator face to face. I choose to follow my Dad and do what He says. I hope the best for you in your quest for obtaining the most toys before you die.
posted by
Curly-Jo
on August 2, 2004 at 9:16 PM
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Ariala
I don't think you would ever leave Blogit. I was just trying to make a point. My point may have been directed at you, but it more or less goes for anyone who reads my stuff and finds insult. To me it is insulting for someone to tell me 'God loves you' when they know I do not believe. You even said you would pray for me, and there is a level at which I could take that as an insult, because you do know what I believe. But I choose to understand it to be the way you think. I expect others to have that same respect for me. I will write things as I see them. If you find insult with in then, there is nothing I can do about it. I will not censor my thoughts in order to make sure I do not offend. I would not be true to myself if I did that.
Have I made rude comments towards people? Yes. Whenever someone tries to put words in my mouth or make it very clear that they wish to be blind as to what I am saying, I will openly tell them what I think. I have not done any name calling though. Although I know I tried to drive some to stop reading me because I could no longer stand trying to make them see I did not wish to be converted but would rather debate.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2004 at 7:54 PM
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Curly-Jo
Life has forged my ethical standards.
I am all for us being 'random blobs on a hunk of dirt with no purpose other than to procreate and collect as many toys as we can before we die'. We don't go and kill each other off because we ourselves do not wish to be killed. How else can we collect our toys (And I have a nice toy collection myself). If we kill off others we are saying it is okay to kill us. That is not a good message to spread. I much prefer people being nice to me, so I am going to be nice to others in order to teach them how I wish for them to treat me.
Would it be better to believe that we are God's pets and that is we misbehave he will smack us with his rolled up newspaper?
Life being random has some mystery and adventure to it. It makes it easier to just sit back and enjoy the fact the we just are.
I love being a random piece of dirt collecting toys. Makes for a fun life.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2004 at 7:43 PM
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Kooka, like I would let you or anyone insult me to the point of leaving.
Geez, that's the very thing I blog about people NOT doing. In fact, I didn't say you insulted me, but that it seemed like you were trying to insult someone who believes the Bible to be inspired.
Anyway, I find that too much emotionalism (anger, name-calling and insults) goes into your work and a lot of other people's work here. That's fine...opinions are like that. I personally don't care for debate and the negativity thatgoes with it. So, I'm out of here, meaning your blog, but not out of Blogit. 
My best to you in your job search.
posted by
Ariala
on August 2, 2004 at 7:43 PM
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Ariala
I am sure there are many atheist books out there that I would feel to be BS and to have been written by 'ignorant bastards'. I don't believe in the Devil, so I would never think anyone to be influenced by him.
Whoever wrote the Bible was not ignorant, but very intelligent. They knew what they were doing.
Also, if opinions upset you so, then you might wish to leave Blogit. People seem to like to voice their opinions here. That is all I did.
No insult intended. Just stating things the way I see them.
Too much of the Bible works against he idea of being inspired for me. The God of the Bible lives by 'Do what I say, not as I do.' Do you called that kind of thinking inspired?
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2004 at 7:37 PM
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Kooka,
I am curious to know what inspires your ethical standards? If there is no Creator, and we are just random blobs on a hunk of dirt with no purpose other than to procreate and collect as many toys as we can before we die, what is the incentive to keep from killing each other off for personal gain?
posted by
Curly-Jo
on August 2, 2004 at 7:22 PM
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Kooka, wow, you really try to insult those of us who believe the Word to be
inspired. It would be like me saying to you that all atheists books are BS and were written by men possessed by the devil who are ignorant bastards. The difference between us is that I don't believe that.
posted by
Ariala
on August 2, 2004 at 7:17 PM
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David and Ariala
I have often pointed out that the only thing worth a damn from the Bible is the Golden Rule, everything else we can do without. So if God inspired the Bible, then he inspired a load of BS and needs to learn how to work with a good editor.
And David, I do understand that faith is a very personal thing. I am not trying to claim that people are wrong to believe in God. I do not and I see no logic in believing. Some people find comfort in such thing, I do not. But when I see ideas with in that faith that are flawed and can become harmful to others if not balanced out with logic can common sense then there is a problem. One can not live life on faith alone. If you believe that those inner voices are God's way of talking to you, then way does God often seem to tell people to do stupid things? I am fine with the idea of listening to your conscience, but just make sure in the end you use logic along with it to make sure you are not acting on pure emotion or stress. That is where the idea of it all being 'God's Word' goes wrong.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2004 at 7:14 PM
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God's message is there!
It is in each and every line and passage that speaks of love and peace and harmony for all, unconditionally!
And man's contribution can be seen in each and every line that speaks of sin, guilt, vengeance, etc.etc. etc.!
posted by
David1Spirit
on August 2, 2004 at 6:54 PM
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David1Spirit, the only problem with that argument is that people can then
pick and choose what is "inspired" and what isn't. I think God's ultimate message is there. I think God, through His Holy Spirit preserved the truth that is needed and didn't allow "man" to mess it up all that much. That's my belief.
posted by
Ariala
on August 2, 2004 at 6:41 PM
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Ariala
I'll give you that. Something/someone (God?) inspired those who wrote the Bible. But then man decided to interpret it to make it work for whatever agenda that they felt needed to be served. The result: The Bible has about as much "God's Word" in it as they saw fit to include. Probably less than 10% really came from "God", and that's probably an optimistic figure. The rest was man-made; designed to fit their previous mentioned agendas. But we bought that "God of fear" lock, stock and barrel. And all these years later, how someone can say "This is the word of God" with a straight face baffles me! 
posted by
David1Spirit
on August 2, 2004 at 6:38 PM
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David1Spirit and Kooka, and it is clear to
me, that the Bible is an inspired book. God did not inspire every, single word, but He inspired the writers.
posted by
Ariala
on August 2, 2004 at 6:28 PM
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Kooka_Lives
Your last line in your comment to Odysseus: I have studied history and I have seen the patterns and it has made it very clear to me that God, the Bible and religion in general is man made and changes as needed to get the most followers and fit in with the times.
OK, clear to you maybe. and that is fine; again, for you! But I have done my own studies, and haves seen patterns and made my own interpretations. And it has made it very clear to me that yes, man indeed did create the Bible, religion and that God that many choose to believe in. But it has also made it very clear to me that something (someone??) else exists. God maybe, maybe not. But something "alive" for sure. For now, I'll just say that it is a higher consciousness, a oneness, intertwined together. Again, I am not sure if it is God, but when I do find out I'll be sure to let you and Westwend know. Fair enough?
posted by
David1Spirit
on August 2, 2004 at 6:25 PM
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Westwend
I don't want to get into an argument over this, but really! Most everyone knows that it is no more than faith. Blind faith, well maybe. But if people choose that, what difference does it make to you?
I'll give you this: Sure, I cannot prove there is a God, or a higher existence, or whatever! I only specifically said that I believed in something! I also said I was very comfortable believing as I do! Why does one have to have unequivacle proof? If that's your requirement, so be it! For me, it's not! Leave it be, my friend.
Your comments sound no better than those who try to ram the "traditional Christian God" down my throat! Instead of saying, "Hey, just believe as you wish, and more power to you", you have an almost mocking tone when talking to those of faith. We all agree that there is a high level of speculation involved here, really nothing more. We all know that! Why do you insist on coming off like your speculations are so superior?
posted by
David1Spirit
on August 2, 2004 at 6:11 PM
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Odysseus
Do you only read the parts of my posts that you can twist to fit to your way of thinking? From your comment it is obvious that you did not get the idea behind the whole of the post. You did what so many Christian do with the Bible, and took out the part you liked and said that was the whole message of what I was saying. And even there you were wrong.
Is it God's will for mass murderers to go on killing sprees? Is ti God's will for parents to kill there children to save them from sin? Is it God's will for people beat up homosexuals? yet in so many case where those kinds of acts happen it is often because someone's inner Conscience wa not working right and told them to do such things. No the inner voice is just nature trying to guide us by our emotions and stress and other factors. the problems is due to al those factors the inner voice often is not working right and that is when we need to have enough sense to not follow it. When you tell someone that inner voice is God then they are going to follow it through right or wrong because they are giving in to 'the will of “the higher spiritual thing”'. There must be a balance for us to function as a society. You would rather everyone just listen to their inner selves and that will lead to more harm than good and would destroy our world rather quickly.
It makes way too much sense that we are part of an 'uncaring universal organism'. It would fit into all that we know of the workings of the universe. It would give our lives more meaning than the idea that we are pets here for the entertainment of some higher power. We have a purpose and are part of something higher than just ourselves. By using our minds to balance out the inner motivations we can control ourselves to the point of doing what is needed to keep the higher being of the universe functioning.
I have studied history and I have seen the patterns and it has made it very clear to me that God, the Bible and religion in general is man made and changes as needed to get the most followers and fit in with the times.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2004 at 6:02 PM
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David
That idea of God is what is popular because it is what most people want. But it is not the God mentioned in the Bible at all. I feel very comfortable with my knowledge that there is no such being. It allows me to sleep better and relax. It would upset me greatly to have to live with the idea of some great creator watching everything I do. In some ways if there is a God then we are not truly as free as we believe ourselves to be.
You idea of God is a more modern face given the being in order to make it easy to like and therefore easy to get people to follow.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2004 at 5:47 PM
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okay guys get serious now.
so fa ryou've said there is a god and a higher spiritual being and a contact with that higher being within us.
so put your money where mouth is.
show us god.
yo never h ave
you've said god is this and god is that but you've never showed us god
i'm sure you don't believe inthe male anthropomorphic being.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 2, 2004 at 5:12 PM
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Odysseus
The point you make is very good. The thing is, what do mean by "the will of God"?
My thoughts are that there definately is, a "higher conscienceness" (God??). But where I differ from many is that to me that higher being is very unlike the traditional God, if you know what I mean. I don't think that there is a "will of God". More like a source of love that is pure energy; but on a much higher level than the traditional Christian God, so to speak. I believe that it is entirely possible that there is a "plan" (for lack of a better term); but not on the same level that we hear about every day. I don't know if I (or anyone else) will truly ever really know for sure while we are alive.
But I'll say this: The thought of a God of unconditional love, totally omnipresent; of pure energy and not judging or witholding in any way; makes me very comfortable.
posted by
David1Spirit
on August 2, 2004 at 4:24 PM
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Reverend Kooka
I require only to recite for you a short portion of your second paragraph which reads as follows:
“Somewhere inside we have what is needed in order to be able to function as the universe needs us to. We have gone and given it a name 'Conscience', but it is basically the need to make sure that things function as well as possible in order for our job as part of the Universe to be done. I have no clue what that job is…” -Kooka_lives
Kooka, with the above words you have basically confirmed the philosophy that I have been trying to convey to you for months. The “job” that you say you don’t know what is, just happens to be the will of “the higher spiritual thing” that you cannot bring yourself to call God. Why would you rather envision yourself as some part of an uncaring universal organism in the face of the marvelous natural beauty that surrounds you? Listen, in light of the fact that we have reached the level of understanding that has been specified in your paragraph above, you must realize that it is much more conceivable and probable that you are moving in accordance with a greater will than it is that you are moving at random. If you read and study history you will discern clear patterns of development that will convince you that I am correct and you will see how this spirit manifests itself. You will come to believe in God.
posted by
telemachus
on August 2, 2004 at 4:05 PM
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