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I have convinced myself that the bad things that happen are not "allowed" by God, they happen in the spirit of the free will he supposedly gave to us, and with each bad thing that happens, somewhere, somehow, something GOOD comes of it, someone LEARNS something or STARTS something, and that the "bad" things that happen spawn the branches of "goodness", and make the "good" in the people that are hurt by the "bad" come out, and reveal itself. As for the ones that have had to be sacrificed for all of this "good" to be born from their "bad treatment", I would like to think they have a part, even after they die, in evening out whatever bad thing it is that happened. (This is just something I thought a lot about, well........I guess I think a lot about everything, but it mostly all comes down to God.)
posted by
Kelli
on July 26, 2004 at 8:05 PM
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Westwend -
How do you view Ego in all of this? Because it kind of seems like we are talking about the same thing, but from different points of view. . .
posted by
sannhet
on July 26, 2004 at 1:22 PM
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when humans were just beginning to get a wider perception of their world and their brain had reached the level of development that we now have (I suppose no earlier), humans began to be more destructive toward their fellows.
Although lying and stealing apparently have been part of primate behavior for millions of years, humans seemed to develop more destructive traits along with this and all traits escalated, so to speak.
They noticed that these traits were destructive. They decided to make rules against destructive traits.
The Ten Commandments (precepts, per the lexicon) are examples of such rules.
systems of law were put in place. lawgivers and enforcers were needed.
people noticed that by enacting and enforcing laws, they became "as gods". So they concocted more laws.
a division was then made between good and evil -- good on one side, evil on the other. This is a ubiquitous concept, of course, a part of all societies, from the most "primitive" to the most "advanced".
more complex laws were developed, concocted.
good meant being on the side of the lawgiver' evil, contrary. When governments changed, laws, changed, and the good and evil changed.
sin is the result of law -- or moral perception -- and, as such, is an outcast -- sin can come in many forms -- transgression of the law (Romans 3, I think) -- not conforming to cultural mores (these very greatly, as you know) -- even not conforming to the group -- distinction between good and evil persons helps the "good" feel like they belong to the group and better than the "evil".
original sin was a device of early humans -- it was not an action on the part of any particular individual.
summary: people devised sin in order to bring order, and this concept was used to separate those who conform to the group or order from those who do not.
I hope that helps explain my personal position.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 26, 2004 at 9:50 AM
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Westwend
Human concoctions. How do you mean?
posted by
sannhet
on July 25, 2004 at 3:48 PM
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God as The Universe as an Organism is neutral
God makes his rain to fall on the good and evil alike.
The good god is the god that shamans and clerics concoct to draw a following. OUr god is goo d that other god is bad -- all that.
good and evil are human concoctions anyway.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 25, 2004 at 1:00 PM
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