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the bible has several gods and several god personalities.
each fits the writer's viewpoint.
Genesis is interesting in that what religious today call god, walked and talked with Abraham, who made a famous deal with this personage about Sodom and Gomorrah.
We find several personages talking with Abraham -- each interpreted as being god.
god changes to a flaming bush and a thundering voice with Moses -- and a sun-bright figure whose brightness rubs off of Moses.
then god ceases talking directly and talks through Samuel and other such representatives. Exception being the prophets who have visions (the wheel in a wheel of Ezekiel, etc.).
Then Yeshua speaks for god in the gospels. Then we have the acts and epistles -- Peter has the vision of the sheet with clean and unclean animals. Paul has an unnamed person being taken up to the utmost heaven, but cannot speak of what he saw.
different natures -- different personalities.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 14, 2004 at 8:24 PM
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Old Testament -- compiled during the Persian era (@500 B.C.E. [Before the Common Era]).
New Testament -- books written from about 45 or 50 C.E. to about 90 C.E. (Common Era, replaces A.D.) -- a guy named Eusebius (I think I got the right guy) "canonized" what you find now around 200 C.E.), dropping dozens of other books, such as the Gospel of Thomas and others which were ordered burned a little later, but some survived and turned up in Egypt which was something of a hotbed of variant belief at the time (and still is -- notice from Egypt through Ethiopia the Christian and Jewish sects that are there and are variants of the religions. (By the way, there are still Samaritans, whose religion closely resembles mainstream Judaism).
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 13, 2004 at 8:35 AM
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no, when was the bible with all the books put together?
Not: when were the stories written.
posted by
t_rat
on July 12, 2004 at 9:13 PM
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What if a person TRULY feels they are right
I've often wondered about the confusion of right and wrong. I am baffled at the concept of who determined these things, and philosophically I cannot comprehend being punished for doing something I TRULY thought was the right thing to do. This makes me wonder about murderers and molesters. Do they know they are doing wrong, or do they truly feel they are doing right? I guess we have to, as a society, keep these things in check, but reality is strange and only interpreted by what we learn. I understand the rules in the bible, but I just think "what if something I truly feel is right is wrong?" That's not fair.
posted by
Kelli
on July 12, 2004 at 5:52 PM
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when the bible was put together?
we're talking about Old Testament
the minimalist version is during the Persian conquest -- no books were written before that
the other version is that several "schools" wrote different "versionis" acording to their own belief system -- northern Israel had the Yahvist (or Y or J) version, Jerusalemites had the Priestly and others the "E" or Eloist version, and then there was the Deuteronomist.
they tell us that Y and E were compiled and written around 1200 or so BCE -- Y is noted by the LORD in the King James and E is noted by simply God, from "El" or Eloah or Elohim, which is plural -- the first instance of God in the Old Testament (Genesis 1:1) has Elohim as the name, or if we were to really translate it literally, "gods". In the beginning the gods created the heavens and the earth.
Priestly came later and Deuteronomist later still -- these two pretty much accepted a;round the time of the Persian conquest and the return to Jerusalem.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 12, 2004 at 6:59 AM
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Yes, sometimes I think that a foreigner has read something that was
intended to be comedy, and did not understand that there was humor behind the whole story, then translated it into another language as some horrible tale of a tyrant God who is seriously supposed to love us.
posted by
TARZANA
on July 12, 2004 at 6:30 AM
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good points. anybody know when the bible was actually put together?
posted by
t_rat
on July 11, 2004 at 8:36 PM
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you pretty much said it all didn't you?
religion persists in accepting a flawed god
although an evolving god might be flawed, it is not - "perfect", (therefore in no need of evolving) -
the word for "perfect" in Matthew 5 really means mature anyway -- so we all need to grow up.
santa claus like myths are for children.
we need to search for what is true and then that is god.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 11, 2004 at 6:51 AM
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posted by
Xeno-x
on July 11, 2004 at 6:47 AM
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