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good post, must have missed it.
of course the bible was written by men.
2 Corinthians 6:1 states clearly: As God's fellow workers.............
Man wrote the Bible in a working relationship with God. Mans perspective was allowed in a pure act of worship. People wrote the verses in awe and worship of God, expressed poetically in accordance with their fullest understanding of the world in which they lived. They were not " possesed of God" and thus supernaturally leaped ahead in knowledge. God was with them, but He never overpowers a persons mind and life.
Truths were revealed to man as man wrote, but never at the expense of his own natural learning of the universe. Hence believing the Bible requires faith.
posted by
calmcantey75
on July 24, 2005 at 1:15 AM
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i missed a whole line of discourse here.
how about this?
1. who knows what the writers were talking abouit? We do want to put ideas in their heads behind their words that are really our own perceptions.
2. If I were a person living at that time, I would certainly perceive the ground I stood, or sat, or lay on as immoveable and that everything else orbited around it. I think all cultures have written in such a manner, so why not the writers referenced here?
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 14, 2004 at 7:39 PM
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Earth must be....
Kooka,
Thanks for taking the time to read the scriptures and then getting back to me. This is one of those times when we have different opinions and we can disagree without being disagreeable.
Be at peace.
posted by
Ricci
on July 11, 2004 at 10:36 PM
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Ricci
The writer thought it was fact that the Earth was the center of everything. He obviously believed that the Earth did not move, but that everything moved around it. he did not understand any of the complex orbits that create the Universe as we know. He did not understand that the Earth wobbles on its own axis. He knew none of this and in the ultimate Ego which controls mankind, he decided that God must have made Earth the center of the universe, unmoving and perfectly stable. Being the center of all that is was very important because is sounds like an important thing to be.
I went through and hunted down those verses to read the full thing for myself. Your belief has no merit due to the simple fact that the verse are talking about the Earth after its creation, not before. So since we know for a fact that the Earth is no immovable after its creation, then al logic points to them being written by man, who did not know any better at the time.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 11, 2004 at 7:22 PM
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Earth must be the center...
Kooka...
I shared what I believed the writer meant. Will you share what you believe the writer meant. .......I am almost tempted to take you up on your bet!! I said almost...
Have a good day...
posted by
Ricci
on July 11, 2004 at 9:18 AM
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Ricci
That still makes no sense at all.
The Earth is in constant change. Nothing at all about the Earth is fixed or immovable. Nothing about anything thing in the universe is fixed or immovable. Such an idea only works if you do not use any sense of reasoning or logic. Basically when you do not possess the knowledge of the working of the planets and stars and such, you can come up with such an idea. So there is no logic to 'God; every saying such things because he would know better. Man at that time would not
Your logic of deciding that these passages are talking about the Earth being somehow fixed in the grand scheme of creation makes no sense at all. That is obviously you looking for an interpretation of the passages that fits in with what you are wanting. Since you know the truth of how the planets orbit the sun and such, you a now have to look for a less literal approach and therefore this is what has been made up to fix the obviously flawed ideas of the writers of the Bible. I would bet anything that I could find a passage that could be interpreted to say that God likes to watch Professional Women Wrestling while eating a tub of popcorn with a bunch of chickens. Why? Because it is way to easy to go and see what you want to see in the Bible verses. If it does not make sense literally, then you go and use your imagination to figure out the symbolism in a verse, no matter how much stretching you have to do to make it work.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 11, 2004 at 9:09 AM
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Earth must be the center of the universe
Kooka,
The earth is immovable in its design. That is to say that the foundation of the earth was fixed in the creation process.
These verses are giving praise to God for His mighty acts. They are only meant to extoll His mighty power.
Scripture is not always easy to read and unless i read the whole passage and understand the context I find myself wandering in the wilderness. However, I have come to love the Psalms.
Be at peace.
posted by
Ricci
on July 11, 2004 at 7:57 AM
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ricci
That makes no sense at all. Please explain how those verses could have anything to do with the creation of Earth.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 10, 2004 at 8:39 PM
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Earth must be the center of the universe
Just a thought.....I believe the verses that you referenced in the bible are alluding to the "creation" of the earth, which differs from its "position" in the galaxy.
Be at peace.
posted by
Ricci
on July 10, 2004 at 6:10 PM
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not any of it??? really???
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Writers/BlogSource.aspx?blog=10277
posted by
poetjpb
on July 10, 2004 at 10:48 AM
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let me add my agreement with this. the main problem is not in the writers, who expressed what they could experience with their limited scientific knowledge, but with later interpreters who decided that these passages were dogma and gospel and hindered scientific discoveries as a result.
the writers expressed what they saw -- so many mythologies of the same time expressed the universe that they saw in similar ways -- Isis (I think) as the sky goddess, her feet in the west and hands in the east, covering the entire night sky and the Milky Way exuding from her naked breasts.
imagine being a person at that watching the sky revolve around you and the ground being "firm" beneath your feet. from that viewpoint what they said was true, and everything revolved around a fixed earth.
Copernicus and Galileo discovered differently. The clerics of that time (whose word was law) could not break the bonds of blind belief and accept scientific discovery.
to progress, one must question. one must discard what is determined to be faulty and accept new explanations that possess more substantiation.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 8, 2004 at 8:04 AM
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It is only when we take ourselves too seriously that we make a flaw
a dangerous thing. If I analyze it, I am looking for a flaw - something to disprove perfection. But if I see a thing's value or beauty and cherish it, a flaw is a tragedy and not a condemnation.
posted by
TARZANA
on July 7, 2004 at 11:47 AM
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kooka_lives --- if you can imagine things like these passages is where I
began having trouble with the content of the little black book. Condoning slavery, stoning people for certain social infractions etc. all made me realize it is an antiquated relic of the past. From a time man was superstitious and ignorant. But what really finished me off as a person to hold any faith in the book's content was the ban on pork. Can you imagine telling a Canadian that he can't eat back bacon? Only Satan could think of such cruelty.
posted by
gomedome
on July 6, 2004 at 10:25 PM
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