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no. 1 -- you get 20% of my reading -- duh! -- more than anyone else
no. 1 -- yeah you are right about where sin comes from -- that's what I wrote in my blog about the Garden of Eden -- the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the Law -- laws -- defining evil, thus also defining good -- once all these rules and mores were put in place (the Bible reflects the legal codes of the great civilizations contemporary to its writers) things were sin that weren't sin previously. This why Paul said in Romans -- without the law there is no sin -- by one man (Adam), sin came into the world. (a = b and b = c; therefore a = c). It's a simple matter of logic.
Adam created Law, therefore ate of the tree.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 8, 2004 at 7:56 AM
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Read something cute today
I read something cute I have to start at the end because it's what I remember it said something like...well this is actually the beginning
Don't worry if you wake up and you're well then good. If you're sick then you can worry whether you'll die or get well. If you get well don't worry. If you die then you can worry about whether or not you go to heaven or hell. If you go to heaven good you'll have nothing to worry about. If you go to hell you'll be too busy saying hello to old friends to worry about it. I thought it was really funny. Of course I didn't quote it literally because I can't remember all of it.
posted by
Taffy000
on July 6, 2004 at 4:47 PM
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justAcarpenter
I am not offended by nudity, and there are large groups of people who are not. And I am completely aware that dogs are naked. We are taught from birth to be offended and that is why so many are. In those primitive tribes where they do not teach such idiotic ideas, no one is offended by nudity. This shows that by pure nature nudity does not offend man. That came from the teachings of the Bible. We could see this as saying that the Bible itself is what creates sin and is therefore more of a tool of the Devil than of God. The Bible promotes many ideas that go against nature as well as the idea that wealth is a good thing and anyone who disagrees with you is a bad person and deserves to be punished.
Actually most of what you said does not mean there is a God.
If you look through my posts here you will find one where I talk about how the universe itself is an organism. We are part of that. That does fit into what you said. However, the universe is not really aware of us, anymore than we are aware of our blood cells. And we are a natural product of said universe in the same way our blood cells are a natural product of our bodies. So it can not remove you whenever it feels likes, anymore than you can remove a single blood cell at will. How could anyone live with such an idea? It would remove any sense of freedom form one's life.
The whole concept of God comes form the Bible, no where else. if one is left alone to figure out the universe they will come up with their own ideas of what created them and such. The only reason what one would accept God as being everything is because the Bible makes that claim.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 6, 2004 at 10:47 AM
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I think you made a couple blanket opinions.. and I've never been one for
judgeing an entire group of anything, be it people or ideas.
I ask you to read the new testament and the new testament alone. I believe christ, as one of the siblings of humanity, who are all children of god, was born to fix the idea of the old testament. It was a group of ignorant morons who tried to make it into one big book. Christ does nothing but dispute the ideas of the old testament.
But hey, people see things differently. I love Christ and what he did for humanity. What he did, in my understanding of it, opened peoples' minds to the idea that they must love their neighbors and the energy that connects us all. I'm not a religious person as it is. I like to think of myself as highly spiritual though.
posted by
JustJilly
on July 5, 2004 at 9:54 PM
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Sorry for the long comment, your post inspired me.
First off, I did not say that Satan was evil…I just said, he is liar, and lying is not necessarily evil…movie stars and novelists do it all the time. Satan’s lies, only become evil when men use them against each other. Believing that they are “The Truth”. Furthermore, God did not create Satan…mankind did…when they thought that they could better God’s creation through the use of lies. Contrary to popular belief, God and Satan are not now, and have never been at war. The real war is between Mankind and God (or Nature). Mankind, with it’s countless opinions, continues to believe that things should be different than they are.
Here is an example of what I mean:
When Adam decided, with his new found knowledge gained from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that it must be wrong for him to be naked. The first thing God said was, “who told you that you were naked?” …and then he cursed mankind. When Adam concluded that it was wrong to be naked, he inadvertently lied against his own nature and the way God had intended things to be. Look at it this way, if you see a dog running through the park, are you offended by what you see? Now take into consideration that the dog is naked…are you offended now? Well then, why are so many offended if they see a person running naked through the park? The first thing that many would want to do is capture and punish this person for their offensive behavior, while leaving the dogs to run freely, totally in the nude (it‘s funny how dogs have more freedom than people). Mankind created Satan, by lying against God or Nature, they then created evil, by punishing each other for the sake of their newly favored lies, rules or laws. All wars are the result of differing opinions about which lies should be used to replace “The Truth“. Mankind has never been able to make up it’s mind about what is right or wrong. Take a Muslim woman being punished and beaten for not wearing her vale as another example...even though it is a rule or law, The Truth say's that she should not be required to wear it in the first place. A lie was used to justify her punishment...that lie came from Satan...or rather, a group of lies, thoughts or beliefs that turn people against each other.
As for my only proof coming from what the bible says:
I do not need a bible, to know that Existence is all that there is, nor do I need a bible, to realize that I was created by it, and that it can remove me from this life whenever it see fit. Nor do I need a bible to know that the Entity of Existence owns and controls all of the power that there is…including to power of creation…old stars die and new ones are created, all the time. I also do not need a bible, to know that Entity of Existence holds within itself, all of the knowledge that exists.
What more proof is needed?
posted by
justAcarpenter
on July 4, 2004 at 5:59 PM
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imagine all the people living for today
John Lennon
people's imaginations through the ages have devised gods and demons of their own making, in their own image.
This Satan t hing is no exception. Old Testament -- few mentions of Satan. in Job, we have Satan and God talking like old buddies -- what gives? You'd think there's a conspiracy here.
Satan -- adversary -- Devil's Advocate ok?
Lucifer -- lightbringer -- hmm -- we have somebody who claims to bring light on our own dear blogit -- talking about the king of Babylon -- Satan is the adversary in the temptation in the wilderness.
we have something named a few times and then people's imaginations have it blown up so a full blown figure with horns and wings and cloven hooves and a pitchfork -- sheesh!!!! childish!!!
"when I became an adult, I put away childish things." I Cor. 13.
posted by
Xeno-x
on July 4, 2004 at 3:42 PM
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y-l-f
What? That made no sense at all.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 3, 2004 at 12:52 PM
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Satan is just the person who is looking at evil.
posted by
TARZANA
on July 3, 2004 at 8:06 AM
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Y-L-F
Not trying to make Satan look anything. Just trying to show that there are other possible ways for things to be looked at.
Would you judge the Jewish people on just what the Nazis had to say about them?
Or the Christians on what the Muslims thinks?
Or the Democrats based only on the republican commercials?
That would be unfair and it would be listening to one group's propaganda without knowing all the facts. That is what I se the Bible as. if it were written by God then it is going to be 100% one sided. We can not tell the truth about anything from it. And so we really know nothing about the figure of Satan (Even though I already know that Satan was created well after the Bible was written, due to having done research into it) and therefore one can not take as fact the ideas given about Satan in the Bible.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 3, 2004 at 7:52 AM
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gomedome
Too many people have too many different ideas of what Hell is. As I said, it would depend on if Satan were the one in control of Hell. And if you look at it Hell is mostly for those who are not followers of God. You can live a perfectly clean and moral life but end up in Hell just because you do not believe. And mass murders can be forgiven and end up in Heaven. This does not follow the idea of being punished for doing evil one bit. And has always been something that has bothered me to no end. A just God would not do things that way. It would be like a court of law punishing the innocent just because they do not wish to conform to some standards, and letting the guilty go free because they ask to be forgiven.
If Satan had the power to alter Hell, I think he would make a it as comfortable a place as he could. Now if God is in charge of it all, then yes, God being the great jerk he is is going to do the whole burning forever and eternal suffering thing.
That would also go into the idea of just how powerful God is. If the Bible is his propaganda, then it is very likely that God does not have the power he claims to have. If God did have that Power Satan would have known that and never have tried to take control. So it seems to me that Satan might know something we don't, which is one of the points to the train of thought that is part of this post.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 3, 2004 at 7:46 AM
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justAcarpenter
Everything you just said is from the one point of view I was talking about. You are taking God's POV at 100% fact and not thinking that just maybe he is making things out ot be so one sided. The only proof you have that he is everything is because he says he is everything in the Bible. The only proof you are have that he is good and all knowing and all powerful and such, is because he makes those claims in the Bible. The only proof that Satan is evil is because God tells us he is in the Bible.
My whole point was to think things through without saying that the Bible is 100% fact. Open your mind a little. Or do you follow all forms of propaganda that is feed ot you?
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 3, 2004 at 7:38 AM
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freedup
I agree with you there.
Let God and Satan fight their own battels and leave us out of all that BS.
posted by
kooka_lives
on July 3, 2004 at 7:33 AM
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I don't know - I think you made Satan look pretty bad. Poor Satan!
posted by
TARZANA
on July 3, 2004 at 6:27 AM
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kooka_lives --- I have a bit of a problem with the suggestion that the
mythical hell might not be an uncomfortable place to be. Where admittedly the classic struggle between good and evil is depicted with an endless stream of implausible fairy tales and hocus pocus in the bible. A suggestion that puts forth the notion of eternal damnation not being such a bad thing immediately is linked to the suggestion that wrong or evil actions may have no negative consequences. That in itself is a bad thing. An idea that if it were to take root or gain acceptance would accelerate the proliferation of an already occuring problem in people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions.
As much as we both agree that the bible itself is an antiquated document with more holes in it's logic than a Ross Perot political platform it does have some things right. Some concepts or conceptual frameworks within it are eternal truths. Evil actions by an individual must receive some sort of condemnation above and beyond the penalties imposed by law. Our collective societal ostricism or disdain for the perpetrators of an evil act sometimes being the only safeguard against the act itself gaining widespread acceptance.
If the convoluted story of the devil in the bible accomplished one thing it was to establish shame to it's rightful place as a societal safeguard. I know refuting this was not your intent in this posting and I did read the entire thing. I just felt it important to throw up this cautionary note.
posted by
gomedome
on July 3, 2004 at 5:10 AM
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kooka lives
Very good post…I enjoyed reading it…technically speaking, since God created all things, and IS all things, or even Existence itself…Satan then must be a part of God. Therefore, There Is Only God. Until you take into consideration, the fact that people do things to each other that simply are not right. It has been said, that Satan is a liar and the father of it. Maybe when the Prophets personified Satan, they where just trying to show or reveal that the Spirit of Satan (or Lies)…allow people to justify doing wrongs to one another…what do think?
Maybe man has taken the ability to lie (Satan) and turned this ability against God (The Truth)…believing that they can make Existence better through the use of their lies. If I were Satan, I would make promises that I could not keep…in hopes that people would follow…because that would be my job…and I would want to serve my God to the best of my ability…because without "The Truth"…there would be Nothing…including me...and even for a liar, that would be to much to bare.
Even Satan knows who is master.
Like you...I choose only to serve "The Truth".
posted by
justAcarpenter
on July 2, 2004 at 10:28 PM
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I enjoy this blog alot
We are like minded on this topic. What I tell people is, if there is a God and a Devil {and I say not} then quit fighting there battles for them. I say screw them both, let them fight it out between themselves, and for us to "JUST BE JUST".
posted by
swoosh
on July 2, 2004 at 8:59 PM
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