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a perfect god should create the perfect creation, I agree.
but if it's still being worked out . . .
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 27, 2004 at 6:04 PM
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amdg
I knew you would click without my having to use the word nipple. You, unlike others, seem to understand the idea of debate and are willing to really debate. Even though we do not agree on much here, I am glad someone like you is reading my stuff and willing to debate my ideas.
I was already working on my next post to go over more the idea of why it makes no sense for God to have created such a flawed design as man, so I will not go into it here. Just wait for my next post to see my reply to you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 27, 2004 at 5:09 PM
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GO BACK TO GOD EVOLVING
sounds like an oxymoron???
sounds like blasphemy???
wee evolve within ourselves throughout life -- just as Life evolved -- it's for survival -- if we don't change in response to the circumstances, we don't survive, either physically, mentally, emotionally or any other aspects of ourselves, separately or in any combination.
This is not a static Universe. We are esconced in one frame of the movie that is the evolving Universe. The frame seems quiet, ordered. Frames before and certainly frames after will be more chaotic. , we are like a blind man encountering one part of an elephant, say the lef, and saying the elephant is like a tree -- we don't see all of the Universe, so we don't have anywhere near an accurate view of it. Astronomers will tell you that the Universe is plenty chaotic.
From the Big Bang through the formation of Galaxies and dark matter and black holes and then stars that exploded and spawned other stars that in turn exploded and spawned still others until our sun and dozens of others like it were spawned within about 30 light years of each other, and from our sun we eventually came to be, chaose has been necessary to give rise to New Creation.
Within the span of LIfe on Earth, that also has been the case. It has been put forth that the first cells began changing and evolving due to death -- for eons it was all one cell -- innumerable trillions of the same cell, of exactly the same genetic makeup -- then they needed to survive -- the non-living sustenance had been depleted, so they had to turn to the alternative, which was what was living. Then began the process of killing and attempts at survival that led through the many changes in Life until it came to Us. In the meantime, meteorites and other catastrophic changes helped to spur evolution.
I have stated in my blog GOD AS THE UNIVERSE AS AN ORGANISM that we have been in the next process of evolution for some time now, and that is the evolution of government - from simple city-states through the great empires through contemporary government -- and it's obvious that this process is far from complete.
Once I get going I can get off the subject pretty easily -- I'm trying to address the statements of several people at once here. sheesh!
Back to God Evolving -- God is Evolving in all of this --
I've got to go back to the Matthew passage as rendered in the King James : "Be ye therefore perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect."
Researching the meaning of words here, you can find that "be" is better rendered "become" and "perfect", well that rendering is totally inaccurate. It is a "King Jamesism", that is, a rendering from the medieval viewpoint of its translators.
Lexicons will render the word as "mature", giving the passage an entirely different meaning.
Giving rise to the possibility that God is not perfect -- eh?
another blasphemy?
I believe God learns, just as we do, only God is a few eons ahead of us in the learning curve. God also learns from activity hereon Earth.
The problem here is that we are limited in that we can only describe the processes with which we are familiar -- that the processes that a far above us we cannot describe. We can only relate to what we know the best we can. We've got to realize this.
All right so I'm hogging Kooka's blog -- sorry guy. I know these guys will come back to read though and that they will respond and you will respond and maybe I will respond. This is fun.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 27, 2004 at 6:57 AM
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hey, I clicked but I would have anyway
Hey, how do you know we're not still evolving. Maybe male nipples haven't come into their own, so to speak. Maybe our great,greatx1000 grandsons will nurse their young. Who knows, maybe longer. The average so-called elightened, sensitive, male modern male is really only enlightened where his own interests are concerned. He's a bigger knuckle dragger than his ancient ancestors.
I think we were created originally to live forever. We were not perfection, only God is that, but we did not ail as we do now. Sickness and death, toiling and painful childbirth are a result of the Fall.
The useless parts thing doesn't bother me; it's possible that one day they will be useful. God is not cruel. Man does that for himself.
As for man being a flawed design, I couldn't disgree more. We are amazing.
posted by
AnCatubh
on May 26, 2004 at 10:49 PM
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old man
I knew what I was doing when I wrote it.
Hits do matter here after all.
At least I hope I followed the title up with a post worth reading.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 26, 2004 at 8:52 PM
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I guess..
its all about words in Blogville.
posted by
telemachus
on May 26, 2004 at 8:50 PM
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are you aware of what kind of images your title conjures?
Quite a play on words.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 26, 2004 at 7:22 PM
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Tit Baby
You are not intended to be perfect. You are made of un-alive physical matter that is living only because it is imbibed with God. You can be the process by which this imperfect matter is transferred into perfect Godly energy. God can expand through you. In God all such imperfections are rendered perfect.
posted by
telemachus
on May 26, 2004 at 7:18 PM
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well yeah -- that's if
we're working with the classic image of God where he took pains to design this perfect world.
that god is an idol.
an image.
I believe in existing within the Universe.
While I am existing, I try to be better and try to help the generation after me to be better.
That is true God.
Those of us exist worship it in doing better and helping things to improve with each succeding generation.
whether we believe in a God of some sort or not.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 26, 2004 at 6:46 PM
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