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attax, I'm looking for some of your solutions then.......
posted by
benzinha
on May 24, 2004 at 12:25 AM
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invisible
Most certainly not. I find your criticism intellectually stimulating. Of course I'm right about the subjects we've discussed. As far as the regressive behaviour and attitudes of blacks African America the tail is wagging the dog. It is Dr. Drive By's task to expose what is lethal and eliminate it. She thinks of herself as a problem solver!
posted by
attax
on May 23, 2004 at 2:12 PM
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attax, specious? I believe that I come to your table with less of an
agenda than you possess. Not all African businessmen and women are thugs and tribal oriented only. Not all news stories are untrue. I get my information from African friends and from their newspaper reports. You are a harsh judge of those that you find less 'worthy' of success, a harsh judge of their simple desires to succeed in international and 'closed' markets, sterotyping an entire continent because of a few 'thugs' that you judge to be and to embrace as the entire African business community.
Specious? I'm secure in the knowledge that you are wrong about me. Are all who disagree with your opinions specious in their views and comments and is yours the only correct and final word on any and all subjects that you address? I am forced to think so. A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste time communicating with then?
Would you prefer that I stop reading you and leaving my specious thoughts? I will do so if asked.
posted by
benzinha
on May 23, 2004 at 12:58 AM
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invisible
One must ask: Who are the 'African businessmen' that are allegedly whipped by the Swiss? They are murderous tribal thugs. If they try hard enough they might compete with the tribal thugs who rule the Islamic world. They'll buy any confection.
Your response is welcome. However, one does question the veracity of your statistics. Your reasoning, though elegant, is specious.
YOUR FRIEND AND MINE
DR. DRIVE BY
cc:attax
posted by
attax
on May 22, 2004 at 3:11 PM
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drdriveby, went to your site and read your III posting on Africa.
I felt that my thoughts belonged here in your Invisible Slavery posting.
Margaret Meade's superiority complex and love of dark peoples aside, the true invisible slavery is in Africa. We Americans are one of the builders of that Slave Continent.
You denegrate the Africans for not being Henry Fords and for not having major industries. It is a shame that you do this. The Industrialized World does not allow them to industrialize, pushes them back down into subsistence agriculture and mining when they try to go up one step and into true manufacturing of 'end products'.
One small example. Africa, one nation, decided to not allow the Europeans and Americans, etc. to buy their cacau raw and unprocessed at slave wage harvesting rewards anymore. They decided to manufacture chocolate products for shipment overseas, to compete with Switzerland's lovely chocolate industry, to compete with Nestle's. Meetings were held world wide and the decision was made to boycott the purchase of these new African chocolate products, to raise the costs of shipping them, to tax their imports into the grave. This concerted international effort to crush Africa's small step away from selling only raw cacau succeeded and they were pushed back into harvesting and shipping raw cacau and nothing else, once again. Africa receives about one penny of that sixty-nine cent candy bar, if not much less, I believe.
New scientific studies show that the cacau plants are being attacked by diseases that the poor nations cannot afford to fight. We may all lose chocolate from our dietary menu for our selfishness and neglect of this.
The international business community has done this with copra, hemp rope making tries by Africa. They tried to make the 'end sale' ropes and products and were boycotted, taxed and beaten down. They now ship, once again, only the raw hemp and copra to us Big Guys with our industrialized muscles.
Do not, I repeat, do not blame Africa for her conditions. When she tries, she is put back into her true place, that of slave state to industrialized 'end use' producers all over the world. The world is killing Africa and happy to do it. When they are all dead and only enough survive to work our newly built future factories over there, then we may care, a tiny bit. Or not. An 'empty' Africa sounds like Heaven to many industrialists, though they may never admit it in public.
posted by
benzinha
on May 22, 2004 at 11:17 AM
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attax, I see that I do have to read much more of your work to understand
just who it is that you are angry with and what you see as solutions and how you view the future of American society.
My education came to me in my youth, with my liberal parents (a journalist and an English teacher) inviting the world into our home. We had Brasilian pilots and their families as friends when I was very young in Arizona. There were Mexican festivals and Native American festivals that we attended every year, meeting people and learning about them, about what they held sacred, how they felt about family ties and responsibilities, what God looked like and sounded like to them. My friends were multi ethnic and in my house, in my church and in my heart. I had penpals from India and Japan who wrote to me forever.
Black families and Arabic families came to our home for dinner and we travelled extensively in Mexico during my childhood. I was slowly becoming 'other', different from my stay at home friends with stagnant ideas of society and its directions. I have never fit into any particular niche and have thus always felt alone, except when with my brothers and sisters, who experienced the same things.
So, when you speak angrily about the 'upper classes' within Black society, I sometimes understand you to see them as the Salvation of things and then I hear you rip them to pieces for their guilt over this decade's, century's messes. I know that my ignorance of your writings is responsible for this. I shall read more as you suggest.
I listened to CSpan for hours the other day on a panel speaking about Brown vs. the Board of Education and learned more there than ever on a news program. Jesse was there, but so were others who got more of my attention because of their common sense thoughts. Wonderful few hours. Also, being old, I had some of my own views to compare with theirs.
We had an all Black school here in town before segregation. Every student graduated and everyone went on to higher learning. After segregation, the school was closed and the bused children began to fail, to drop out, to let go of their sound futures. I was very angry. Their school was separate and not equal, it was better and all of my friends agree with me, that the school should never have been closed. Legislation is unwieldy as a tool for change, tho' a necessary one, upon occasion. I am so radical as to want to now separate girls from boys for better learning environments (2004 schools are wild places of little learning) and have been accused of thinking radically. I disagree, I find my thoughts moderate and reasonable. I also want schools of no more than 250 students.
Love your comments on chad powder and trains inside endless tunnels. Though I admit to not understanding the full import of your words here.
posted by
benzinha
on May 20, 2004 at 9:35 PM
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