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Hmmm... now you have me a bit confused as I have just read a few of
your blogs on revolution. You are contradicting yourself dear, when you say you believe in the bible and quote scriptures to assure us of that, yet you say God didnt create humans? Am I reading that correctly? Keep reading dear, because if you read the bible, you will find that God is the creater of all mankind and also the bible doesnt support the revolution "Theory", and theory it is. Nipples... geeeeeeeez...lol.... whats up with the nipple things lately?!..lol
posted by
Moonwind
on May 27, 2004 at 6:42 PM
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NO WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH IN THE EVERLASTING FIRE - more Matthew 25
Or - separating the sheep from the goats (Matt 25: 31-46)
What's our story here? (Is the goat an evil animal?)
As for the goats -- no -- Yeshua is just using a shepherd's act as analogy -- goats are ok -- they just smell.
You know, I didn't want to do this -- I didn't want have to take the time to delve into analysis and word origins and meanings and settings and context and such. I/m retired and I'd like to relax a bit.
Oh well.
So what are we talking about here?
Human relationships. The "Son of Man" (who is this son of man? -- go ahead and ask) sets the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left. The sheep are invited to inherit the "kingdom prepared for you". The goats are invited to "the everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."
We've got a lot here don't we?
But you will notice why won't you?
"Because you did it to the least of these, you did it to me." (Vs. 40)
It's the way we treat people. Do you see any classic kind of "sin" involved here? No -- just helping people in need and in sad situations.
Now we go into reward and punishment, because this is what this whole discourse is about -- whether people are assigned to eternal damnation or not. Heaven really isn't an issue here -- what is mentioned is a "kingdom" (vs 34) and "life eternal" (vs 46).
MORE COMING
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 20, 2004 at 11:43 AM
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Hi there very interesting topic of never ending views and winder whatwould happen is there were no evil and wars in the world. Somehow this is difficult for me to imagine.
Cheers VIVA
posted by
VIVA_LA_KATZE
on May 20, 2004 at 2:15 AM
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hi sue.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 19, 2004 at 3:03 PM
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HI Westwend
posted by
Star5_
on May 19, 2004 at 2:58 PM
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MATTHEW 25 - THE PARABLE OF THE TALENTS (UNFAITHFUL SERVANT)
We have three servants here: one is given five talents, another, two and the third, one, each in accordance with what the "man traveling into a far country" expects of him.
Two doubled the money given them, one hid it and returned to his employer exactly what his employer had given him.
The servant's reasoning: "thou art a hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, etc.", meaning, I guess, that the man made a profit out of others' labors.
Of course, we, in this servant, have what seems to be an inaccurate assessment of the man for whom he works.
The Man provided his employees with everything they needed to make a profit. All they had to do was provide the ambition.
This last employee lacked that ambition. When an employee is unprofitable and unproductive, as this one was, he is fired, usually. This is a pretty good "outer darkness". When people get fired from their jobs, there can certainly be "weeping and gnashing of teeth".
But we also have another part of this passage "from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." What?
I think this is like mathematics. If you subtract 1 from 1, you have nothing. But if you have nothing, or a minus, and you subtract, then you add. So, I take this as saying, "If someone has nothing, then that nothing will be taken away from him.", meaning that the person will be supplied with something.
See the greatness and goodness of the God That is Existence?
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 19, 2004 at 9:07 AM
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thank you for your response
on my blog. Very interesting. Of course you know I'll take issue with you on Catholicism being like the WWCG. So would they. They thought we were the Whore of Babylon and we thought they were psuedo-Christians with an identity crisis. Ah, well.
Have a beautiful day.
Pax
posted by
AnCatubh
on May 19, 2004 at 8:16 AM
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I'm not
although I write like an authority, I'm no more an authority than anyone else.
sometime my tone of writing makes it seem like I think I know it all. I seek, I search, I continue seeking and searching and hoping I've found the answers.
I've found something.
I still keep refining what I think I've found, adding and changing in the light of what I think I see anew.
"We see through a glass, darkly."
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 18, 2004 at 2:38 PM
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speaking of "weeping and gnashing of teeth"
I've experienced a lot of that in my 60 years of life.
We all do.
Some more than others.
I also experience Great Peace.
People are not left unaccountable for their actions.
There is Karma.
In this life and in succeeding ones, we receive a recompense (correction) for what we have done.
I wonder sometimes what I must have done in a past life to experience some of the things I experience in this one.
It must have beenone hell of a past life (lives).
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 18, 2004 at 2:19 PM
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it's what we understand
I'm getting into a bit of a debate with one of the favorite bloggers on here and that person is very sincere and believing of what that person writes.
that person is also a very nice person.
so i really hate to debate like this.
what is really happening is that that person strongly believes a certain way. I have discovered for myself things that go contrary to what that person believes.
I have read that person's recent blog and I can interpret what is quoted there in accordance with what I have said.
The "outer darkness" - a position of exile. Does it last forever?
the "everlasting fire" - the fire can be everlasting and those who go through it would go through it only temporarily.
These are just a couple of things.
People will adhere to what they feel is true. We all must. We must be true to ourselves.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 18, 2004 at 1:46 PM
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kidnykid
go downtown somewhere
where the refuse of society is.
ask yourself what kind of a life these people live
people that beg quarters to get their next drink.
wonder if these might have been, in a previous life, pretty evil people.
My thought on the Bible passage is that it could mean people have to die once -- then are judged. I think we have to study the entire passage in which this quote is found. It could be that this means we die at least once -- not just once.
depending upon the judgement, we either return to this world or proceed elsewhere.
the After life is not that clearly seen.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 18, 2004 at 1:24 PM
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gomedome
thank you.
could it be more people are coming to the same conclusion regarding a lot of concepts, especially now that they have departed from the structure of religion that has been defining belief for them?
is that understandable?
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 18, 2004 at 1:19 PM
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posted by
Xeno-x
on May 18, 2004 at 1:16 PM
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Just a question
I'm sure you'll agree with me when I theorize that there are thoroughly evil people out there in Real World Land. What happens to them?
There is also a Bible passage which states that "it is appointed to man once to die, and then the judgment."
posted by
kidnykid
on May 18, 2004 at 12:03 PM
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westwend --- bible passages and other forms of inspiration aside
the notion of universal salvation is the only concept of eternal life that stands up to the light of reason. In our rush to place ourselves and our puny existances as humans to the forefront in the context of the universe we tend to forget that we may not be alone as sentient beings. We also conveniantly overlook the multitudes of peoples that predate organized religion and those not exposed to any form of the so called word of God. Though you and I have taken decidedly different paths to arrive at the concept of universal salvation our conclusions are much the same.
posted by
gomedome
on May 18, 2004 at 5:58 AM
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