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The Universe works in mysterious ways.
There have been numerous ways of defining God and what God does.
Humans are totally unable to do that since God -- YHVH -- is spirit (pneuma, wind, like the wind).
Humans are different than other animals -- where and when that mind (pneuma) which is human came about . . . ?
Scientists do say that through DNA they have traced the human genome back to 50,000? or so years ago to one woman.
I attempt to discover, myself. I continue leaving the Old World in search of New Riches.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 19, 2004 at 7:05 AM
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hunting and gathering
sounds like sweat is involved to me. I think the line means that previously food was readily available without any hunting. As for childbirth, I think koriani is right but I've often thought humans seem to have forgotten what animals know by instinct. My own experience taught me the more I moved toward the "animal" way of giving birth, the less pain I felt. My daughter's birth a year ago was virtually painless up until the last half hour or so. So much for human progress.
I hadn't really thought of Adam and Eve as metaphor. Isn't it possible that they actually existed and that they were the first creatures to have a rational soul. How does God create us in his mental image if we were once newts. Are you saying he infused us with a rational soul at some point or that it was there from the beginning and man has just learned as he went along? And what about DNA mapping that traces human existence back to a sigle woman? I don't know really anything about that but I've heard it's true. Any thoughts?
posted by
AnCatubh
on May 19, 2004 at 6:39 AM
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I have to admit it's just a simple statement "in pain, etc."
And it can be inferred that, as you say, had they stayed in the Garden, childbirght would be painless.
But it can also be inferred that there was a time when chldbirth was painless. When we look an other animals giving birth, we don't seem to see the pain that we see in women.
So that is where I drew my conclusion.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 14, 2004 at 2:41 PM
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I guess I'm not following your thought process here...
How does one infer that women had previously born children "not in pain" from the line "In pain shall you bear your children"? What I gather from this is that if they had been allowed to stay in Eden, giving birth would not have been painful.
posted by
koriani
on May 14, 2004 at 2:25 PM
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