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I am not sure of the motives of the people who created this web site
but I do know there have been ( dying)individuals who have seen glimpses of hell and heaven. There have also been Christians who have had visions of the same. But I know for a fact that the living cannot contact the dead nor vice versa, so men drilling into the bowels of the earth would not be able to hear the screams of the dead just by happenstance. All of this is in accordance with scripture.
Do I agree with you on the inappropriate use of fear as a means of causing someone to beleive? Absolutley I do. Hundreds of times in the old and new T God commands us to 'Fear not' so He would not employ fear to cause you to beleive His truth. God never employs terror or intimidation or coercement, remember that the next time some phony tries it on you. Now this does not rule out the mention of hell throughout the course of preaching the Gospel, but it should never be the focus of a Christians witness.
posted by
cantey
on April 25, 2004 at 10:54 AM
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cantey
The web site makes no mention of it being a hoax. The web site acts as if it really happened. They are saying it is real and not a hoax. They are using what is obviously a hoax to trick people in to being scared and therefore falling into a belief in God. it does not matter if most people can see it to be a hoax or that there is public knowledge of such. There are going to be people who fall for it and are going to go to God not because they believe, but because they are scared.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 24, 2004 at 4:49 PM
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this was addmitted to be a hoax
posted by
cantey
on April 24, 2004 at 3:20 PM
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shawn
I do not believe for one moment that anyone who is a strong believer in any kind of faith will come here , read my Blog and suddenly change they way of thinking. That is not what I am trying to do here.
Although I have very often given an alternative for them. I 'preach', for lack off a better word, the idea of having faith in one's self and one's family and friends. In finding the strength that is in front of a person where it is real and one can truly draw from it. Those who are part of your life are normally the ones who have the biggest impact on you and therefore are if you have picked your friends wisely and have a truly loving family, then you should have a whole lot of strength to draw on. This has been an idea in several of my posts, and I will try to include it in the one I will write today if that will help you to understand it better.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 24, 2004 at 7:20 AM
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Shawn (on outer darkness, etc)
We can experience these things right here and now -- the outer darkness, that is the alienation --the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
It's called in other religions, "Karma".
If God wants all people saved, then the usual Hell with eternal torment doesn't fit into God's will. More likely, a purgatory in the Here and Now.
Yet I see we all pretty much agree that we should do good here and now.
There is no law against that.
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 24, 2004 at 7:00 AM
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Kooka
I see some of what you are saying after reading your most recent post. But I‘m still confused about how you contend that you support the good and right action, but seek in your blog to destroy the paths others have developed to pursue the good, without citing your replacement path. As I’ve said before, if you yank the rug out from under people, what do you intend to replace it with? Please see my comments to your most recent post and reply to them.
posted by
telemachus
on April 24, 2004 at 5:08 AM
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shawn
As always you seem to have no clue what so ever about what you are saying.
GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS
I did not rewrite the commandment, I gave my views on them.
I do time and time again post my beliefs, you just do not understand them one bit.
These attempts to discredit me get real old real fast. I will go a head and make sure to revisit some of the post that more fit what you seem to think I am not doing.
Here are a few titles of my more recent ones
'Why We need to be looking to ourselves for the Good.'
'The Good and the evil'
'The Good in the Universe'
If you would go and read these you will see my philosophy and see what my ideas are about what is right. Of course since you are still as blind as every to any beliefs that do not agree with yours, you will most likely read them and still not get a thing out of them.
As always you are so full of it and I am getting so tired of it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 23, 2004 at 9:25 PM
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thanks Lion
Who knows, maybe it will be enough to help push Kooka into the top ten.
posted by
telemachus
on April 23, 2004 at 7:43 PM
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... very articulate ... very well stated ... very well studied ... enjoyed reading your comments ...
posted by
LionsBorn
on April 23, 2004 at 7:32 PM
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Westwend (on hell)
In my blog, Spiritual Medicine", I have described “spiritual evolution” as the systematic obliteration of evil from the world through the process of repaying evil with good, much as has been exemplified in the life of Gandhi and in Leo Tolstoy’s work: “The Kingdom of God is Within You”. Clearly, this spiritual evolution will eventually annihilate all evil from the world, or from the realm occupied by adherents to “the good”.
But where will the annihilated evil go. Once it is deleted, will it descend into a sort of cosmic “recycle bin”? Scripture speaks of “hell” as a “place of outer darkness” and I see it as a place that is away and distant from God, perhaps in another dimension. Such a place is reserved for those who have completely extinguished the “good” spark within them to the extent that they are inherently evil, or those who have professed a desire for darkness and have embraced the expansion of evil. The point here is that all evil will eventually be destroyed, or banished to a place where it can no longer corrupt “the good”. You possess the ability to change the corruptible matter that is yourself into spiritual goodness (light) or, alternatively, to allow it to decay for eventual annihilation. To be in hell is to be separated from all that is good. Scripture describes a “weeping and gnashing of teeth”. Everything evil, even more grotesque than you can imagine, will characterize hell, which will be totally void of goodness. Perhaps the descriptive writers of the past, attempting to concoct the most expressive situation imaginable, painted the picture of being burned alive, but this picture could also be presented with any number of grotesque manifestations of evil.
The ultimate horror of being separated from all that is good is not fully evident until one has begun to achieve a successful expansion of “the good” within themselves. After being cognizant of the power of “the good” within, the sheer horror of the hellish condition is clearly understood, for only then can one truly see what a catastrophic condition it is to be separated from “the good”. This results in the apparition of our horrifying concept of hell.
posted by
telemachus
on April 23, 2004 at 7:15 PM
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Westwend
Wow! This is a happening place. Let me first answer your comments about doctrine. I will then give you another comment later about the hell thing.
There have been countless doctrines and theories of religious belief proposed throughout human history. We see that these theories can be vastly different, imaginative, and often subjective. As is nearly always the case, the adherents to such beliefs present them as factual. This becomes a problem when religious followers get so caught up in such doctrines and belief systems that they get sidetracked from the fundamental purpose of religion, which is to promote the good in ourselves and others. Cultic group culture most often leads us astray.
One thing is quite clear from a review of religious history. That is, that no single human being has all the right answers. All religious dogma is subject to valid criticism and scrutiny. It seems rather clear that God did not imbibe us with the ability to fully discern all of the mysteries of his being. What God did provide us with is a clear, innate ability to discern right from wrong, at least when we devote adequate concentration to the issue. This is the first step along the path of real religious experience.
The universal problem for everyone manifests itself with the eventual realization of the impossibility of adhering fully to the pure idea of good, that is instilled within. This is the point where the various doctrines begin to employ themselves; and these doctrines are widely divergent and consist of everything from physical purification rituals to the Christian concept of salvation through belief and faith. The later concept is especially logical and understandable when one comes to recognize that the innate concept of “the good” is proof of the presence of God within you.
But my main point in this writing is: Do not pursue doctrine! Instead, pursue the concept of the good that you will find within your being. Concentrate upon what is good. Think about what feels instinctively correct. Mediate upon right action and seek to employ the good concepts into your life. Do these things and you will discover, for yourself, the proper religious experience, without being lead by the nose!
posted by
telemachus
on April 23, 2004 at 7:01 PM
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shame, shawn
Jesus upset established doctrine -- remember?
Martin Luther did.
Judaism survived.
So did Catholicism.
Christianity has a history of upsetting established doctrine; else we wouldn't have these thousands of denominations and sects.
Tell me, Shawn -- which of these denominations and sects is right?
Which holds to "established doctrine"
I belonged to a sect that held to the Jewish holidays and Sabbath and clean and unclean meats and the advent of Jesus who would take those 144 k of us in that sect to safety with Him -- and then when he came to rule the earth we would be rulers under him and straighten everyone out.
There are quite a few sects like this -- with adventist leanings or apolcayptic visions that I would imagine you would vehemently disagree with.
Define Hell, Shawn.
King James calls several differing Hebrew and Greek words, "hell".
One meaning is the Grave -- Sheol and Hades.
The Hellfire where the "fire is not quenched and the worm dieth not" is Gehenna -- or the Valley of Hinnom, where trash was dumped and burned -- and that fire was not quenched and those worms (maggots) didn't die.
Gehenna was a trash heap.
The Apostle Paul talks about the testing fire, where a person's "works are tested, whether they be of chaff, or of stone" - yet the person is saved. Pauls also says that it is God's will that everyone be saved. (Does this mean Hitler too?)
I figure if God wants it, then God will get what he wants -- that everyone be saved.
The Book of Revelation talks about a "lake of fire" -- is this our hell?
Dante Alighieri (sp) describes Hell in great detail. Shawn, do you believe and Dante's Inferno?
I believe in order for everyone to be saves, as Paul says, and for the testing, that this purgatory is right here and right now, in this world.
We can only speculate about what lies past this life, in spite of all the pronouncements of definite Heaven and Hell. The Bible gives us bits and pieces "with a stammering tongue and halting lips -- here a little and there a little" "In diverse times and places, God speaks with diverse tongues" - a little paraphrasing, but I hope you get my drift. God does not give us anything definite about a lot of things.
And if, like Hitler, a person's life is totally bad, then I believe that person is given another life and another in order to work it out.
We also are given the responsibility of working it out in the present life -- which is where it's at anyway.
"Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof" -- meaning concentrate on the here and now -- take tomorrow --or the afterlife -- when it comes.
That afterlife will certainly take care of itself.
We must walk this life without fear.
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 23, 2004 at 6:46 PM
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Here is MY definition of Hell! Your in it! Hahaha...no, seriously, if you
look it up in the dictionary, you will find that hell is nothing more than "The common grave".
posted by
Moonwind
on April 23, 2004 at 6:26 PM
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Kooka
Enough already! We’ve heard you downgrade the Bible in post after post. You thrive on dismantling established doctrine. You even have the sheer audacity to re-write the Ten Commandments. But when do we get to hear Kooka’s philosophy? You can’t know so much about what is “WRONG” with everything unless you have some concept of what is “RIGHT”. We’re all sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to tell us your philosophy on how to live. Can't you give us something besides a re-write of stuff you have publicly stated that you dislike and disagree with? Does your philosphy amount to nothing more than to berate God and rely on yourself? If so, we’ve got years of history to prove that doesn’t work. Let’s hear what you have that’s better! Out with it old boy! Out with it I say! If you can't express it then we can only conclude that you simply love to blaspheme and have nothing more.
posted by
telemachus
on April 23, 2004 at 6:13 PM
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