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Kooka
I agree with you that the higher being is so far beyond us that our ideas and adjectives are not really adequate to describe it. Chaos only exists from our limited perspective. From the perspective of the higher being all is order. Just as we might organize the contents of a fish bowl (uhh, excuse the reference to a pet), the higher being can organize our universe to fulfill its wishes or needs.
posted by
telemachus
on April 13, 2004 at 9:07 PM
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shawn
There is no God at the top of my idea of higher beings.
Also, yet there is the mass of stars and such you are talking about, but that too should break up as the universe expands. And you do know that the universe leans towards chaos in general, so I am also a little confused as to how you can put God controlling order there. For even though we all work together as part of each level of higher being there is still a level of chaos that dominates all that is. This chaos helps us to have free will and be individuals. it also allows us to be able to create art and such, which really has no purpose in the higher need but is pleasant at our level And once more, none of this has God in it anywhere.
The higher being is niether good nor evil, chaotic nor order. It just is. It is beyond any of those ideas.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2004 at 5:46 PM
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Kooka
Well if you believe the “big bang” theory, and you obviously do because you know it so well, you have to know about the greater conglomeration of light and stars near the center of the universe. This is the vast and expanding light. The Universe that you personify in your vision is but one within larger and larger and larger and infinitely larger “higher beings”, at the top of which is God, wherein complete control and order is established. By the way, I really like the post you put up today.
posted by
telemachus
on April 12, 2004 at 5:22 PM
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And shawn
All science points to the universe going colder as the galaxies spread father and father apart, and more stars turn into black holes and start sucking more and more light and energy out of the universe. So I am a little puzzled where this 'vast expanding light of which the sun is but a fragment. So vast and glorious is this light that no wicked darkness will withstand it for long and eventually this Godly light will swallow all that is here in its ceaseless outward quest.'
Everything seems to point to this not happening.
Instead like any other being, the universe will grow old and its body will start to weaken.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2004 at 4:14 PM
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shanw
You have just as much foundation for your beliefs.
The higher being of the universe functions is some ways like our bodies do. It knows how to make what it needs. This higher being came in with the big bang and started just doing what it needed in order to create itself from nothing. It has set up the needed chains of events so that at some point, over 15 billion years after its birth, we were created. The only being involved is the universe. It did not just create us out of nothing, but we are a by product of itself. It most likely does not even know we are here. That would be like us being concerned that our blood cells are all there, or keeping track of our sperm. We know we have both and there are times when we are more aware of them than others, but the individual cells are meaningless to us as long as they do what is needed.
There is no need for God, or any kind of deity to be there for this ot happen.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2004 at 4:07 PM
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Kooka
You say, “It wouldn't work”. You have no foundation for such a statement. It is clearly much more probable that this vast network of interconnectedness that you describe is by design than by accident. The only place it doesn’t seem to work is in your brain. You also need to recognize the existence of the massive source of energy and expanding light in the center of the universe that is integral to the theory you have set forth. In this regard, I’ve cited the following scripture in my blog in support of the commentary here about the eventual swallowing up of everything by the expanding good light. It is in “2 Peter 3:12 “ and reads as follows: “Look forward to the coming of the day of God, and work to hasten it on: that day will set the heavens ablaze until they fall apart, and will melt the elements in flames.”
posted by
telemachus
on April 12, 2004 at 3:00 PM
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Everyone else
Thank you for your comments
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2004 at 10:31 AM
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Shawn
As always I can not help but figure you did not get anything from reading what I said.
There is no God it the idea I described. It wouldn't work. The higher being I described has no emotion. Has no awareness. Has no agenda outside of its own survival. Has no sense of good and evil. It has none of that. It did not actively create us, but we are a by product of its existence. This higher being I talked about does not think, Unlike God, you can to put anything human into this higher being.
Throwing God is this idea kills the whole beauty of it and the true connections between it all. These are no forced connections, but rather connection that are there because we have grown together through the billions of years to be part of each other. With God the connections are not so pure, but forced and are only there because of his will.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2004 at 10:31 AM
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Very interesting
Nice blog. I'm fairly conservative but not religious, which makes me an odd blend in many circles, but I do agree with much atheist thought. I'll be reading you more!
posted by
marissaprasad
on April 11, 2004 at 8:38 PM
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Well, there's more...
Kooka, this description of universal interconnectedness results in a higher probability for God than would otherwise be the case because it requires that the, as you say, “higher being” exist at the top of the scale. You must agree that it is much more probable that this ultimate higher being is God than anything else because of the vast extent of creation that exists beneath him.
This higher being is far from an atom, far from a cell, far from a solar system, far from a galaxy, and far from multiple universes. This higher being is the all-powerful, creator and controller of all actions and things. He is the magnificent, glorious God and ruler of all creation. He is Holy. He is Good. No evil may stand before him.
You seek to defend your blasphemous position with science and yet you fail to mention that when we turn our telescope outward we discern a vast expanding light of which the sun is but a fragment. So vast and glorious is this light that no wicked darkness will withstand it for long and eventually this Godly light will swallow all that is here in its ceaseless outward quest. Any evil effort to stop it is futile. Nothing can stop its outward expansion. The physical matter that is you will ultimately either glorify the Godly light by becoming purified or will otherwise be cast outward, away from the light, to utter doom.
posted by
telemachus
on April 11, 2004 at 7:59 PM
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kooka, I liked this article a lot, even though we come to very different
conclusions...I believe you see the wonder of it all, so that's grea. There are new studies that reveal that objects, human/animal organs and anything that lives (or that has mass) has knowledge. It records information and is tied into the "universe" somehow. I believe that's through energy - atoms - the quantum reality of it all.
posted by
Ariala
on April 11, 2004 at 7:15 PM
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Thank You
The idea has been in my head for some time and this is the first time I have gone and tried to spell it all out for people. As with any idea of this level, there is a lot more to it, but I think I was able to get the basics of it out there.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 11, 2004 at 7:11 PM
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a very well written article
I like your ideas
ATOM = ADAM 
I know, I have to work on my corny sense of humour
posted by
TrysDan
on April 11, 2004 at 5:52 PM
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