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OK Im going to prolong this
I know why you believe the way you believe because I used to believe that way. I identify with your numerous posts over the months and they strike a chord of sentimentality with me.But I had a conversion experience and to be blunt with you it is my desire to see that happen in others lives because it has changed my life for the better and I want to share it and I was a succesful man in love with a beautiful wife with a succesful carreer and I did not think I needed Jesus just like you. YOu remind me of how I was I one point in my life. That is why I keep up with your writings and try to get you to see things out from under the merciless hammer of logic. BECAUSE I WAS THE SAME WAY. I want to introduce you to the Jesus that I know but you will have none of it. Thats ok though, you are in my prayers ( I know you dont like that) but In gonna do it anyway and I will continue to try to make my points to you and to all.
And I do take your point of view very seriously, I dont just toss it off as crap, because its not. Its what you believe.
posted by
cantey
on March 20, 2004 at 9:41 PM
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cantey
I mentioned the idea of peace because your comment made it sound as though a person who did not follow the Bible could not understand peace.
This is an attitude I have seen very often and it really bothers me. That is why it has been a regular theme for my posts.
Also look at the argument you have just stated from my POV. I know nothing I say here will change your heart. No amount of logic is going tog et you see things my way. So we both know that what we say will not change the other, but we both wish to express why we believe as we do. I still feel you have not address the real issue, but that is the way it always seems in these debates.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 20, 2004 at 9:20 PM
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One more thing I forgot
I am not denying that there are people out there who do deceive in religion . But I am not one of them. I despise them. So remember that, please, when you read my posts.
posted by
cantey
on March 20, 2004 at 7:53 PM
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I am far from a magician
sometimes it is neccessary to deviate off topic to attempt to show you something to help you understand why I believe what I believe. What you call drifting off topic I call addressing the root issue.I do not attempt to PROVE the existence of God. Its pointless. You will never believe in God through emperical evidence because you have chosen not to. Its a heart issue not an intellectual issue. Debating will not produce a change of heart. I do not believe in deciet or sleight of hand I simply try to address the topic from another angle instead of a head on collision in hopes of you seeing what you see in a different light. I have no doubts that you are a good man whose practices peace I dont know why you brought that up. I have been called all sorts of names and have been ridiculed and called evil etc but I CHOOSE not to be offended, that is called: love. something the magicians and murderers in the name of religion that you bring up could use a lesson in.
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posted by
cantey
on March 20, 2004 at 7:21 PM
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budmannomore
That is still just dancing around the question.
The Bible says God has no beginning. But everything must have a beginning. So where did God come from?
He has always been? I can not, and will not believe that.
Yet it is a question I have yet to find a Christian who will really try to give me a logical answer based on something outside of the whole faith idea that you just need to believe and have faith in the Bible.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 20, 2004 at 3:57 PM
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cantey
I was not talking about good vs. evil. You are just once more playing the part of magician. You are trying to get us to focus on what you want use ot see and not the truth of the illusion you are presenting. Having performed magic tricks, even though I really do not have skill in it, I have some idea of how you are suppose to draw the attention away from what is really going on. That is what religion loves to do. That is what you are doing in your comments. You will never confront the true question, but dance around in order to keep you illusions as real as possible to yourself and others.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 20, 2004 at 3:52 PM
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The Real Church
Is within your heart.
posted by
First_Fig
on March 20, 2004 at 12:00 PM
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It's interesting kooka_lives how the further this discussion evolves
the further every one of your commentors get off topic. In going back to your original challenge of proof of God's existance it becomes obvious that to most God exists because any other possibility is out of the realm of what they want or have been conditioned to believe.
posted by
gomedome
on March 20, 2004 at 11:47 AM
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Its interesting that you mention watching the left hand
and ignoring the right. Thats right. Thats what that comment I posted was trying to get across. WE have a evil and a good capacity in our nature, agreed? The bible instructs you to give heed to your good nature and allow God to develop it and shun the bad one. In other words, think or meditate on what is PEACEFUL and expediant not what is destructive. So yeah, the bible does promote the controlling of thought. No one is dancing around issues here, at least Im not. What you and typical atheists have a problem with is instruction of any kind. You dont like anybody or anything telling you what to do. YOu would rather be your own decider of what is good and evil. In other words, a god unto yourself. You dont like the bible and you endlessly search for flaws in it because you believe it wrongfully IMPOSES on your right to be a free thinker. The bible does not do
this unless you are a rebel at heart. The bible to some is salvation, to others it is bothersome and offensive.
posted by
cantey
on March 20, 2004 at 11:28 AM
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I put my DOG before the mirror and saw GOD. Yes, my reality exists on the same plane as yours.
posted by
RICKYJFICO_PASSIONTHRU_U
on March 20, 2004 at 8:44 AM
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Where God came from.
The fact that God existed before our reality is just common sense because He made this reality. Where did God come from? I don't know,
yet. There are some things that I may not be capable of understanding in this lifetime. I do not consider myself to have reached the pinnacle of my ability to understand things. Since God created this reality; His nature, history and reality are at a level that we are not ready to understand. We have too much to learn in this lifetime as it is. It is equivalent to trying to teach a 2 year old how to drive.
posted by
Budmannomore
on March 20, 2004 at 8:36 AM
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Wow, talk about not getting the point
Everyone please take note that neither one of them comment on the idea of asking where God came from . In fact I think there has only been one person to mention that she does like thinking about that since it bothers her, and that was a few posts ago. Instead of addressing the issue they dance around it and try to draw attention elsewhere. Obviously this is the way Christians promote thinking. They say 'You can think all you want, as long as it is with in this area, otherwise you just do not understand.' It is all slight of hand and illusion. They want you to watch what the left hand is doing and ignore the right completely, after all you might learn something if you pay attention to both hands and that would not be good for them or their flawed belief system.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 20, 2004 at 7:51 AM
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Ow, cmon...
True believers use all their God-given talents in rendering their worship of God. And that includes reason. If you are really thinking, then begin with this: 1+1=2 whether you are underwater, on top of a mountain, or hurtling through space at the speed of light, 1+1=2. At least I began with that.
posted by
Friar__Tuck
on March 20, 2004 at 12:24 AM
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Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.
The Bible does not teach you to not think, it does command you to think only on certain things so that you will be at peace. Based on the above scripture I see no destructive agenda nor an attempt to bind free thinking unless you are attracted to the notion of thinking about evil, which it commands not to do for obvious reasons. Whats wrong with that?
posted by
cantey
on March 19, 2004 at 4:42 PM
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