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kooka_lives --- I wish I had a dollar for every time in my life I found
myself discussing old Saint Tom's 5 ways. From having it pounded into my head as a child to listening to the less fortunate amongst us....you know the ones.....those who have had full frontal lobotomies via religious indoctrination. It's a cheap out really, for a non thinking person. Aside from the issue of causal relationship which is still not fully understood nor explained away, the five ways meander deeper into the realm of pure faith. Certainly further away from ireffutable logic.
I have to agree that the words of a man from the 12th century speaking from a position that today would be called scientific ignorance is hardly proof of anything other than two unrelated points. Those being that a large number of people on this planet are predisposed to faith in a supreme being. With that faith willing to overlook or unable to see the holes in the logic of Thomas Aquinas. Secondly, the majority of people on this planet want to believe in a supreme being, they simply want the answers that the five ways supposedly draw conclusively to point in the direction of what they want to believe. It inevatably all becomes self fullfilling wishful thinking.
posted by
gomedome
on March 19, 2004 at 12:51 PM
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Okay Mister Tuck
What would that point be? Don't think, just go with the idea that somehow God is the exception to all the rules and the easy answer to all the question?
I don't think I have ever claimed my "unbelief" to not be ideological. Just about any form of belief or 'unbelief' would have to be, unless you really did not believe in anything at all. I have no idea how you would form any kind of belief without having some group of knowledge to work form. Being ideological just says that you follow a set of beliefs, they can be scientific or whatever. I have gone and done the research and listened to the facts and figured out which set I believe in. I have not had a single person tell me what I should and should not believe. If their facts makes sense and I see logic in them, I combine them to my own beliefs. Any religion is pure ideology, but they will not admit to it. The Bible is not proof of anything, it just a quick easy set of false answers for those who do not wish to think for themselves.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 19, 2004 at 11:53 AM
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You missed the point
of Thomas's Five Ways. Anyway, you've just shown by that article that your "unbelief" is really ideological.
posted by
Friar__Tuck
on March 19, 2004 at 8:59 AM
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faith
is a lot like channeling. If you don't get it, you never will. Faith is a proof of faith, ultimately. The argument would probably be that for God to be truly omnipotent, he would have had to exist forever. As you point out, where does forever begin? The question of where the big bang came from has been adressed as of late and that is very interesting. I favor the approach of my basic training instructor in the Air Force. He told the assembled troops, "I know some of you are religious and that is fine. I will make a deal with you, don't try to convert me and I won't try to make a sinner out of you!"
posted by
food4thought
on March 18, 2004 at 7:22 PM
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