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The value of the living
I respect that you hold a position that in some respects runs contrary to my own. I have seen the misery that unplanned pregnancy has caused people. I have seen also the misery and devestation that illegal abortion has caused. If we are to truly value life , then we must start valuing it for all people.
Raven Darke
posted by
RavenDarke
on March 13, 2004 at 1:36 PM
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While we will probably always disagree on the issue of abortion...
and when life begins and deserves protection. I can accept your views and respect you for at least having taken the time to think out your position. So many people jump on a bandwagon nowadays without really looking into the issue or making a clear thoughtful decision on what they believe. I think, though, that many times the right choice to make is the most difficult one. Abortion to me is one of those kinds of issues. You can justify it, make it seem like an easy solution to irresponsibility, even claim it's best for the unborn child in some cases...but, in my mind, it's still the killing of another human being. I wish more women took their responsibilties as the carriers of life more seriously. Then, and only then, will ALL the issues of the unborn become a priority. Later...
ltlmac70
posted by
superflymom119
on March 13, 2004 at 1:32 PM
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The politics of choice
At least your constructive analysis points out the one true fallacy. Are we arguing life or are we arguing potential. A fetus cannot exsist on it's own until sometime in the third trimester. No one is advocating an abortion at that stage, save where the life of the mother is in physical peril. What I suppourt and what is the law of the United States is the right of choice. If you want to protect all life as equally sacred then you of course will abolish the armed forces and automatically transfer the wasted spending to improve and raise children. The problem with being pro-life is it seems to revolve around the point that the child must be born- then what. No one answers that adequately. And before you shoot me for things like adoption I am all for adoption, like abortion that remains a valid choice. Thanks for reading.
Raven Darke
posted by
RavenDarke
on March 13, 2004 at 1:17 PM
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Coat hanger killers are stupid
posted by
Montenegro
on March 13, 2004 at 12:53 PM
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Raven, that's a huge leap to take...
A sperm alone cannot create life, and an egg alone is likewise unable to sprout a life. When the two meet, life is immediately begun, and only when the two meet. It's silly to go into a discussion comparing masterbation to abortion, a sperm is not a conceived child, but only one of the tools necessary to create one. Abortion is the ending of life after it has begun, unless you avoid looking at the reality of where life begins. To use your logic...if life begins only after birth, when the fetus is able to function outside of the womb; then, people who can't care for themselves without some sort of help could be legally killed, because they are unable to function outside of the womb. My leap was just as big as yours was... Talk about taking a remark out of context...Good Grief!!! Come on now, surely you can think of a better argument than this!!
Write On! ltlmac70 wuz here...
posted by
superflymom119
on March 13, 2004 at 12:40 PM
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Kleenex and the good Friar
Dear Friar Tuck: You took me out of context at least to some extent. If you wish to hold that life begins at the moment that sperm meets egg, then the potential for life exsists in both sperm and ovum. By your definition masterbation should be illegal, and kleenex should be held liable for the trillions of potential lifes snuffed out on a daily basis. As to your assertion of my irresponsibility. I never said I open my legs to all comers- you did. I said what I said and it mean't only what I choose it to mean. Trying to paint me as a whore or irresponsible is wrong. I thank you for sharing your opinion but in future, try understanding what you have read, first.
Raven Darke
posted by
RavenDarke
on March 13, 2004 at 12:25 PM
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Sincerely...
I sympathize with you. But when you write: "What happens between my legs is my business alone; well ok mine and invited guests" you sound irresponsible. The whole idea behind the anti-abortion issue is this: when the sperm cell unites with the ovum and it results in cell division, life has begun. And it is human life in potentia. To stop the process knowingly is to kill that human life. If what happens between someone's legs results in human life, then the owner of those legs should be responsible for that life.
You also wrote that whether abortion is not legal women will still look for it even in back alleys. So to legalize abortion is actually helping women. I ask: "Do all women readily open up their legs to any man?" It is like when some people in our government began handing out condoms to us males for free. "Safe Sex", they said. What did they think of us males? Sex maniacs?
I respect your opinion. But I am saddened by the underlying concept of what is to be female in your statements.
posted by
Friar__Tuck
on March 13, 2004 at 1:03 AM
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I live I fly
msaries this issue hits home for me on a personal level as I was an unwanted pregnancy. I survived and one would think that would make me pro-life, but I also have seen the misery of unplanned pregnancy and know that the world is not black and white.
Raven Darke
posted by
RavenDarke
on March 12, 2004 at 9:01 AM
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Raven, I'm SO happy you're not on a milk carton.
Not when you write such quality posts.
posted by
msaries
on March 12, 2004 at 8:56 AM
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