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gosh, first i am not so sure we are improving in anything as we go through time, it seems to me we are smarter, if you look at technology, but we are losing so much of what makes us human, i believe that life is change, but i do not always agree that change is good. does the gender, religious, political, or sexual problems make any difference if we no longer have a world to live in, such as water and breathable air or soil to grow food in?
posted by
overtherainbow
on February 1, 2018 at 3:59 PM
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Re: Re: Kabu,
me too me too and we so respected and loved each other.
posted by
Kabu
on January 4, 2018 at 1:26 PM
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Re: Kabu,
So glad that you and your dad had that connection finally before it was too late.
posted by
Ciel
on January 3, 2018 at 10:50 AM
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Re: RPresta,
No, we can't change the past and shouldn't, but we can delve into it and update the beliefs that have become obsolete, limiting, and simply not what we hold as true today.
I have always enjoyed the thought that we females are part of a direct line back to the beginning, one mother/daughter after another.
posted by
Ciel
on January 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM
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i spent years overcoming my very patriachial up bringing. it was only at the end of his life that dad respected me as a strong woman instesd of his little girl and we enjoyed a wonderful loving friendship. he enjoyed having a woman child with her own mind as I enjoyed him and we respected our differences, mainly re politics.
posted by
Kabu
on January 3, 2018 at 9:26 AM
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Excellent messages. There are very strong women from whom I descend/ascend. My ancestral past is not something I can change. I can only work to build a better future based upon that past. My female ancestors would not care if I stood upon their shoulders, though I'm not sure I can honestly say that I do, but rather, they would applaud me for doing so, as I applaud my daughters for their strengths.
posted by
Sea_Gypsy
on January 2, 2018 at 9:41 PM
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Re: Re: BigV,
Thank you. I taught her to make sure that anyone bothering her would rue the day they messed with her. Don't start it, but always finish it... as publicly as possible. That teaches any potential idiots that messing with her has consequences. Oh, did I fail to mention she has a karate black belt? She is good at what she does.Thank you
posted by
BigV
on January 2, 2018 at 5:49 PM
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Re: overtherainbow,
have people ever thought for themselves really, without being influenced, even programmed by parents, peers, teachers, religious guides and other authority figures? We are bound to be socialized to the group we grow up in, needing a balance of conformity and individuality to get along. That's the art of civilization: to find ways to live among diverse others, and the whole community thrive.
In the times you and I grew up in, normal was ladies in dresses wearing makeup to clean the house, or neat, clever secretaries smarter than their bosses... Ever notice how often men bumbled along and women saved the day--while pretending he was the hero? (By the way, I never loved Lucy.) We were encouraged as girls to be those male-ego protecting, male-needs fulfilling women. The 60s confused all of us, men and women, as to what our gender roles should be. A seed burst open, and has grown and flowered into times where all kinds of gender-definitions and limits are being challenged and overthrown.
So, did we fall victim? I don't think we should wear that label, we just have lived in Interesting Times.
posted by
Ciel
on January 2, 2018 at 5:49 PM
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Re: BigV,
It sounds like you've given your daughter the tools and strengths to hold her own ground, but there will be times she is challenged even just for being strong and assured, and not fitting someone else's notion of who she should be. I'm glad you didn't teach her to just grin and bear it.
posted by
Ciel
on January 2, 2018 at 5:32 PM
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wow, there was alot in there, and so much more to address. When did people stop thinking for themselves? How does religion and materialism brainwash us? How does the love of money fit into it all? I guess it starts with one person, after all that is the only one we can change. my granddaughters were brought up by strong women and they are strong women. myself i fell victim to the sterotype.
posted by
overtherainbow
on January 2, 2018 at 2:17 PM
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My wife and I raised our daughter to stand up for her place in the world without being in people's face all the time. She is now 39 and is a highly respected nurse manager and she gets things done. In the ER, I worked with nothing but strong women and as I always joked when my wife was living was that the reason our marriage had lasted so long (44 years) was that my Father had taught me to not argue and just say, "Yes ma'am." My wife and I were life long partners and respected each other immensely.
posted by
BigV
on January 2, 2018 at 12:23 PM
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