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Yes, sadly, the victims of abusers have the option of being WILLING victims,  and many of them take that road.  But even if they are unwilling victims,  Islam is such a perfect predatory system,  that the oppressed wife would have to fight not just her husband,  but her own family,  friends,  neighbors,  mosque.....  her entire society.  To resist her abusive husband,  she would have to fight the entire religion and culture of Islam.  Few Muslim women are that brave. 

They are like flies stuck in a Muslim spiderweb.  The other Muslims are like spiders, wrapping the women in more webbing from the Koran and Hadith,  so that they cannot complain or escape. 

In contrast,  American women who fought abusers in past centuries could find support in American culture and values.  There is no Sharia here in America,  but it is coming.  Sharia is already being enforced in isolated pockets of Muslim immigrants.  The spiders are spinning their Koranic webs and injecting their Sharia poison....... 

posted by GoldenMean on April 26, 2017 at 5:32 AM | link to this | reply

Re: GoldenMean

Very well said, the American women can never imagine the atrocities that Muslim men inflict on their women. I have been a witness to one such. But the surprising thing is that if you were to intervene, it is the women who stand for their men, say it is their prerogative, but who are you? I think it is the typical Stockholm syndrome they suffer from. 

posted by anibanerjee on April 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM | link to this | reply

In reference to Kabu's first comment,  I don't think the treatment of women in this Civil War period,  or any other period of American history,  sunk to the level of oppression of Muslim women by their men.  Women in America have always had the potential to be strong and independent,  and insist upon their rights.  We have never had anything like Sharia law,  where the written laws of slavery for women have been enforced by a religious government.

I think that Gone With The Wind was,  above all and after all,  fiction.....  and very entertaining fiction.  I think the author,  Margaret Mitchell,  tried to portray women,  and men too,  in several different ways,  conflicting ways,  pitting them against each other,  so that we would enjoy all the ways that they fought and interacted, some petty and some vital.  It may have resembled the cultural realities to some degree,  but it's primary goal was to keep the reader or moviegoer engaged,  enthralled and entertained.  Obviously,  it hugely succeeded in that.  So I would say,  let us not read too much profound meaning into it.....  just enjoy it.....  Cheers 

posted by GoldenMean on April 25, 2017 at 5:12 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Blackcatthat

Welcome, and  thanx for the read and that your friend forced you to see one which became your fave. But I cannot decide whether it is the movie or the Book that is more gripping, thin its the movie which seems to be everyone's favourite. Scarlett, indeed, is a powerful woman of the Victorian times. 

posted by anibanerjee on April 24, 2017 at 9:34 PM | link to this | reply

I'll never forget the day my best friend forced me to watch her fav movie, Gone with the Wind.... I found it to be both hilarious (perhaps not intentionally) and also tragic as it seemed like nearly everyone dies.  Was Scarlett strong or pigeon-holed?  I'd say mostly strong.  The rest of the women not so much.

posted by -blackcat on April 24, 2017 at 6:06 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Aba

I quite agree with your observations. Different times call for different strength as per how that society do their wrongs and by virtue of its becoming the right by conventional norms, the reformatory process becomes a movement. The Victorian morals were so snobbish and lopsided that the poor had to be criminals, and the rich, virtuous. The war ravaged twentieth century again went through periods of ambiguity, all well depicted by european literatures of the theatre of the absurd. And now the world over, the pestilence of Muslim terrorism. Thank you dea! 

posted by anibanerjee on April 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Re: Kabu

I think it is a fave for all and sundry.

posted by anibanerjee on April 23, 2017 at 9:14 PM | link to this | reply

Re: C C T

i also wonder the same questiOn. Can this desire be everlasting for a man for the opposite sex, or vice versa? But then exceptions are there. But all in all, the story is very absorbing and this classic film has remained in the memory of almost all who saw it. 

posted by anibanerjee on April 23, 2017 at 9:13 PM | link to this | reply

Aba

It's an epic story, Aba. Given the times, the women were as strong as they could be, to me. They didn't consider themselves to be pigeon-holed, on the whole. In this story they were just doing what was expected, I think. Scarlett was called upon to rise above any self-absorbtion and move on. And, she learned a life lesson about illusion and reality. I just never could understand why she didn't prefer Rhett in the first place. The subleties and complexities of this story make it all that it is. I just would have written it differently (I mean, I would rather have seen it written differently). LOL! But it was great, and very effective with Rhett's last line to Scarlett. Well done, again. 

posted by RPresta on April 22, 2017 at 10:27 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Kabu

you hit on one of my Fav. movies and pet topics. 

posted by Kabu on April 22, 2017 at 9:02 PM | link to this | reply

Hi Aba

I'm catching up slowly. Will be back soon to comment and read - uhh, not in that order. lol

posted by RPresta on April 22, 2017 at 3:26 PM | link to this | reply

I think I saw a film once , It brings back memories. I do wonder if most women have this everlasting desire for a certain male. I think it may be a stronger emotion in a male.

Probably due to the laws of procreation. Quite an interesting historic review,  deserves more than a blogit appraisal.

posted by C_C_T on April 22, 2017 at 12:38 AM | link to this | reply

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posted by anibanerjee on April 21, 2017 at 9:27 PM | link to this | reply

Re: RAPS

Yes, exactly so, TAPS. 

posted by anibanerjee on April 21, 2017 at 9:12 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Annicita

You have rightly said that Rhett knew that quality of Scarlett which probably others didn't. This book is a fave of mine, too.

posted by anibanerjee on April 21, 2017 at 9:11 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Kabu

it is invariably in a crisis that women too have to stand strong, and the American Civil War was one such. You have seen those days from Australia, but since you are so well-travelled that I'm sure you know it all. Many thanks Kabu for your response 

posted by anibanerjee on April 21, 2017 at 9:08 PM | link to this | reply

A woman can be strong when she needs to be.  If ever there was a time, in this country, that women needed to be strong, I'm sure it was during The Civil War.

posted by TAPS. on April 21, 2017 at 6:00 PM | link to this | reply

It was one of my favorite books. Both of those women were so strong. Rhett understood that and loved that part of Scarlett even those around her didn't. 

posted by Annicita on April 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM | link to this | reply

As a young woman I loved the romance of Gone with the Wind.

Was Scarlet  bitch a spoiled brat determined always to have her way. Was she uncaring of anyone but herself was she a product of her times.

That period of history is one when Western civilization saw women in just about the worst light, actually no different to what some Muslim men see them today.

At best, children to be guided by the adult...their man, at worst an unpaid slave to work like a dog while producing babies year after year and since a woman either belonged to her father or her husband she could be beaten regularly treated how ever he felt he wanted to.

Scarlet as a little girl when she met Rhett and thought herself in love with Ashley(what was she16?) she was just a spoiled child expected to make a great match.

Actually her family would have gone under if it wasn't for Scarlet. \her's and Ashley's who was a milk sop compared to both Melanie and Scarlet. 

They were both strong women in their ways but yes as soon as the crisis was over, they were expected by society to slink back into the spot that society had pigeon holed them for. 

and now it was to become Daughters of the South...to mourn for the old ways and try to survive in genteel poverty. 

Scarlet would never be able to do that. She had vowed never to be hungry again and she would take care of Tara and all that she called 'kin' in whichever way she had to. 

 

posted by Kabu on April 21, 2017 at 10:54 AM | link to this | reply

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