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very true ciel

posted by Annicita on April 20, 2017 at 9:21 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Re: Kabu,

No, I hadn't had that impression, I was just adding to your scenario. Between us maybe we can revamp how history is taught, and create our own lesson plan!


posted by Ciel on April 20, 2017 at 3:02 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Kabu,

I don't think I meant to cut out the time line of history. Not at all. 

posted by Kabu on April 20, 2017 at 11:55 AM | link to this | reply

Re: CCT,

We have been all fighting the same battles since before humans were humans, to eat and be safe, to be sheltered, it's just the technologies have changed, and also, our notions of who is Us and who is Them. That's evolution of the human race, every generation standing on the shoulders of the previous ones. Some things, though, it seems each one of us has to learn from scratch--like how to live peaceably next to other people. There's a term for it... for individuals going through the same processes of learning as the race as a whole. Anyway, I think we are graining ground, even though some days, some areas, it doesn't seem so.

posted by Ciel on April 19, 2017 at 6:30 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Kabu,

I think it has to start with enabling students to form a time-line in their heads, like learning the map of the home town. That clicked in for me when I was around 8 or 9--when all the various routes we went places all came together in relation to each other, and knowing where I was in one place told me how to get to other places. History doesn't make sense without that time-line, it's just a vague mish-mash of images unrelated to each other. 

Agreed, though, everyone should have some understanding of how we got to where we are now, not just by great events, but also by the human experience along the way. It's a blending of history with anthropology and sociology. I also believe it can start very early with that time-line, a structure a kid can understand, to hang the details on later.

posted by Ciel on April 19, 2017 at 5:41 PM | link to this | reply


I think it's kind of like the whole global warming thing: If we see it and appreciate that it is happening, we have the power to do something about it. I believe that in this country, it will be a struggle to take back what we've carelessly given up, but I have faith that we will do it!

We were driving through Old Colorado City yesterday and we passed the Armadillo Motel. It was Amarillo, actually... but for just a moment, it wasn't.


posted by Ciel on April 19, 2017 at 5:36 PM | link to this | reply

Oh dear, what a bunch of stuff to make one feel down.  I think I'm going to watch "The Life of A Giant Armadillo" on "Nature" just coming on.  It is more relaxing.  I love nature.

posted by TAPS. on April 19, 2017 at 5:04 PM | link to this | reply

been thinking...compusory history for schools ...here too. Not the kings and explorers and the wars and victories and all that palava...but history of we the people. What has happened through the history of man to the great unwashed as they were once called which is very telling in itself. The wealthy and elite weren't to nice about being clean either...but I mean the misery of life the struggles for women the struggles of migrants in new lands. Coping with ice ages and desert living and disease and starvation. Real history that our children may learn from to imrove both the environment and how to really improve standards of living and a balance throughout the world for humans and for nature.

posted by Kabu on April 19, 2017 at 11:21 AM | link to this | reply

I suppose time will tell, when one looks at families and see how they disagree. Nations cannot even say blood is blood. I expect though we shall all limp along with mistrust. 

posted by C_C_T on April 19, 2017 at 10:48 AM | link to this | reply

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