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Re: To quote Eckhart Tolle, War is a mind set

I appreciate all you have shared, Food! Yes, the heartbreaking incident in Afghanistan should be another wake up call to the war hawks..

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Katray2 -I've never understood why a Palestinian state does not exist today

Well stated, Gomedome. Those who say let Israel do whatever to whomever because the Bible says it must be so are blinded to their hypocrisy to a degree that is unbelievable. I have been accused of antisemitism too; that is the way to distract from the truth and facts and discredit anyone who dares to challenge. Thank you for your comment.

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM | link to this | reply

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Thanks so much for sharing that, BrightIrish. There is so much beneath the surface of the issue, so much that many in this country are either ignorant of or willfully blinded to, all in the name of supporting Israel no matter what because the Bible says they are the chosen. I cannot fathom that Jesus would condone profiting from stolen lands and slaughtered people...

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM | link to this | reply

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Thank you, FSI..

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 7:44 PM | link to this | reply

Katray2 -I've never understood why a Palestinian state does not exist today

I've heard all of the usual rhetoric about the validity of Jewish claims to a homeland in the region but have never heard a convincing argument as to why the Palestinians have not been able to establish a state when they seem to have as much of a historical right to the region. If you can imagine suggestions that God promised it to chosen people doesn't quite cut it with me. Attempts to emphasize the importance of establishing security through an allie in the region doesn't do much for a citizen of a net oil exporting country either.

When I posed the question why has a Palestinian state not yet been established to a person who was actually from Israel, they accused me of antisemitism.

posted by gomedome on March 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM | link to this | reply

One of my dearest friends escaped Palestine with his family to the US. They became US citizens and he served as a interrupter in Iraq. He .. along with his family have told me horror stories about the way they were treated by Israeli soldiers. My mind is open to your thoughts and still I find myself conflicted by the mistrust I have for all political parties involved. It threatens my core to think of our young men and woman becoming involved in another war. Thought invoking post!

posted by BrightIrish on March 15, 2012 at 3:46 PM | link to this | reply

Oops...

I was trying to do spell check and look what I did! I can't erase the first comment but need to.

posted by food4thought on March 15, 2012 at 10:39 AM | link to this | reply

To quote Eckhart Tolle, War is a mind set

He says this: "In certain cases, you many need to protect yourself...bet beware of making it your mission to "eradicate evil," as you are likely to turn into the very thing you are fighting against." Recent events in Afghanistan seem to bear this out.

His book, A New Earth describes how individuals and nations find themselves at disagreement and it stems from a feeling of "I'm right, you're wrong" that pervades and eliminates co-operation and compromise. Recent events in U.S. politics seem to bear that out as well.

We are all beings on a small planet, we need to get along or we will eliminate each other. The main problem is, not everyone sees that need. Is there a solution? If there is, bombs won't help at all.

Just, you know, food for thought.

posted by food4thought on March 15, 2012 at 10:37 AM | link to this | reply

To quote Eckhart Tolle, War is a mind set

He says this: "In certain cases, you many need to protect yourself...bet beware of making it your mission to "eradicate evil," as you are likely to turn into the very thing you are fighting against." Recent events in Afghanistan seem to bear this out.

His book, A New Earth describes how indiduals and nations find themselves at disagreement and it stems from a feeling of "I'm right, you're wrong" that pervades and eliminates co-operation and cocompromise. Recent events in U.S. politics seem to bear that out as well.

We are all beings on a small planet, we need to get along or we will eliminate each other. The main problem is, not everyone sees that need. Is there a solution? If there is, bombs won't help at all.

Just, you know, food for thought.

posted by food4thought on March 15, 2012 at 10:36 AM | link to this | reply

I pray that there will be a peaceful solution quickly.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on March 15, 2012 at 10:05 AM | link to this | reply

And to clarify, my last comment on the subject

is speaking of those who seek to capitalize on issues such as Native Americans and the Palestinians.
Okaay, nuff said for today; probably done enough damage to my ratings..:)

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 9:49 AM | link to this | reply

No need to tiptoe, Kabu, I like your viewpoint very much!

Thank you.

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 9:44 AM | link to this | reply

hello...popped in and found a most interesting discussion going on.

Actually even on a domestic issue it is difficult to admit that all the fault doesn't land on one pair of shoulders.......tiptoeing out now.....

posted by Kabu on March 15, 2012 at 9:42 AM | link to this | reply

Actually, this is old stuff - the Bible mandated, "God on our side" kind of excuse for oppressing, displacing and/or killing off peoples who get in the way of the self chosen..It has been used and continues to be used in the U.S. against Native Americans and also on a worldwide basis.
Having faith, believing in God does not mean dominating others of His creation..my gut feeling...

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 9:33 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Re: Sam, I must admit to not understanding..

Sam, I took down my previous second comment because I decided to use it for another post tomorrow.
 Many Palestinians feel that Israeli extremists would in fact wish to obliterate them, to vanish them in totality far away from the lands they feel are Bible endowed to themselves. Why would Palestinians feel this way? Illegal settlements, outright statements by some Israeli radicals, military backed oppression and brutality which more often than not has the effect of killing more Palestinian civilians than Israeli causaulities.
We agree on the fact that violence is not a solution, I add that religion is the root cause and therefore cannot be a solution! If only love of life and liberty for all was a universal feeling, then perhaps peace could reign.
I thank you for your responses and thoughts, Sam - I know you are a good person and I always appreciate your honesty.

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 9:14 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Sam, I must admit to not understanding..

I know there are extremists on every side of everything and everywhere! I rarely make comments on these kinds of issues because I lack the knowledge base! I only meant that I support Israel due to my beliefs! I do not condone extremism in any form by any one or by any group. For me there is no place in society for it! I did not mean to imply that Israel could do no wrong just my support for the Lord's chosen people according to my beliefs. Also, I think there is a movement to obliterate Israel but I am not aware of Israel wanting to obliterate any one or country or religion of any kind! My reference was made according to the Holy Bible, which is Christian. I have not studied the Koran or the Torah, Jewish Bible, so I cannot say for any certainty what they imply. The Holy Bible is the one I know and for me it is about coming of the Messiah and the events leading up to that! In my reading I find no place that it tells me to go out and kill people in the name of God, but to love people as Jesus loved us. If folks practice loving one another then there would be no room for extremism of any kind! sam 

posted by sam444 on March 15, 2012 at 8:48 AM | link to this | reply

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Without a doubt there are Islamic extremists; no argument there. My point is that there are also Jewish extremists who are contributing to the untenable situation in the MidEast. The settlements on Palestinian lands happen and continue to stay (despite Israeli government "promises" to cease and desist) and provide justification for Israeli military actions against Palestinians. And some on that side of the fence are very obviously in the wrong too! Violence and war only spawn more of the same..

posted by Katray2 on March 15, 2012 at 8:23 AM | link to this | reply

When religion becomes the basis of policy, the world and her inhabitants are thrown back to the Dark Ages... And I believe this is happening with the militants in Islam, too! I cite political Islam which is embodied in Hamas (founded in 1987). So, it has been centered around religion seemingly forever! I am not a student of these conflicts and thus I take no side other than the fact that I believe in the Holy Bible and I will support the Lord's chosen people, the Jews, until the day I die! sam 

posted by sam444 on March 15, 2012 at 8:14 AM | link to this | reply

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