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Re: It is not special treatment to let them get married
Kooka, you state "no one should be forced to marry a gay couple" -- but something along that line just happened. A gay couple sued a photographer for refusing to photograph their "wedding." If people have these convictions, they should not be forced to go against their convictions!! By the way, that photographer lost the case. We're gonna see more of this, and pretty soon we'll be forced to walk on eggshells for fear we will say or do anything that might be construed as going against homosexuals. Sad.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM
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It is not special treatment to let them get married
I have never grasped the logic that says to allow one group the same privileges everyone else has is special treatment.
While no church should ever be forced to marry a gay couple, that has nothing to do with the idea itself of gay marriage.
The ignorance displayed by those like Corbin is fully insulting. It is nothing more than baseless paranoia over a group that has differing values an views. At no point would gay rights ever take precedence over constitutional rights. I have no idea where such ideas come from. No one is trying to do that, nor have they ever in regards to the homosexual community (Now the Christian fundamentalists have been trying to do such things for a long time now). All homosexual marriage would be is allowing the gays to have the SAME privileges heterosexual are given. To do anything else is basically denying one group their rights, and that is about as wrong as it gets if we wish to claim we are a free country.
And in reality a civil union is the same as a marriage, it Just gets named differently to appease those who hold to the foolish and inaccurate concept of a 'traditional marriage' a being between one man and one woman as being something far different than what it really is.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 12, 2008 at 4:29 PM
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Re: McGay?
A growing body of scientific evidence supports the concept that gay men and women are born that way. There is a strong genetic predisposition. Soon, someone will be doing brain scans on subjects, seeing how they react to various visual and other stimuli, and we will have final proof that gender differences are a function of brain activity, hard-wired and not under control. After all, I see lots of men and women, and my unconscious reactions to them are not equal, nor do I choose how I first react. I do choose how I act, but my choices would certainly be different if men turned me on and women turned me cold.
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mousehop
on October 11, 2008 at 4:08 PM
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JanesOpinion
I have no jurisdiction over what the world chooses to do; however, I do have a problem with the world setting standards for Christians. I am tolerant, it is God who makes the rules, not me. I do intend to stand for the rules that govern me. Relationships between gays is their choice, not mine. I will oppose their making the marriage between them a reality with all I have. God chose male and female as the model for coupling, marriage and reproduction. I stand by that.
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Justi
on October 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM
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Sorry, I meant 20 years. sam
posted by
sam444
on October 11, 2008 at 4:19 AM
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I do not like groups to have advantages over other groups to the point of suppression not do I like to see people mistreated on basis of preferences. I have a brother who is gay and he was an odd child from the beginning. I don't know if there is a biological thing or not, but he was just different and has been with his partner for 29 years. Not my thing but I can't see him picking that life style if there weren't some type of biological propensity. Just an observation. How the heck are you? sam
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sam444
on October 11, 2008 at 4:18 AM
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McGay?
I am not in favor of anything that is based on a alternative sexual CHOICE. Alternative = key word. If some people want to shack up with the same sex then that is their own problem to deal with later but they should not be harassed about their CHOICE. I am not for unions and certainly against anything further. Give'em an inch...
It is not natural. It is a CHOICE. People are NOT born gay. They are born with specific tools for a reason. It is this worthless liberal society that then twists what GOD has intended. I have never seen a gay couple produce a child and no one ever will. There is a reason for that and everyone shoudl be able to understand that but their minds are clouded by this society we have today.
I understand your point on feeling left out of the process on this issue but I must admit i am getting an incredible craving, right now, for a Big Mac!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on October 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM
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mousehop, thanks for your complement of sorts, but I don't put that much faith in Senator Obama pertaining to this. There've been enough examples trickling down the pipeline of the religious rights of folks being undermined. Like boiling the frog, I think we might see a gradual reduction in the free speech rights of people who are not politically or even religiously correct.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but am inclined to agree w/ Corbin on this subject.
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JanesOpinion
on October 10, 2008 at 7:36 PM
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Re: I, too, am for GLBT rights and civil unions as ruled by the state
New Yorker, I'd like to believe you're right about this, but I'm afraid I've seen too much erosion of rights taking place already. I hope you're right, but the pessimistic side of me sees this as being a slippery slope. . . . .
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 10, 2008 at 7:30 PM
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Corbin, I'm really afraid you may be so very right. This is a really frightening scenario, but I think entirely plausible.
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JanesOpinion
on October 10, 2008 at 7:13 PM
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Senator Obama will not tolerate imposition of politically correct language on churches Pot, meet kettle -I wonder whose church Obama attended for 20 years! Of course he won't impose political correctness!!
posted by
NewYorker_in_Sicily
on October 10, 2008 at 6:41 PM
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This smack of fear-mongering, and I suspect you of too great an intelligence to believe it. Senator Obama will not tolerate imposition of politically correct language on churches or Christian schools, and no church will be forced to perform rituals counter to its doctrines. But spread of acceptance by states of gay marriage, whether by name or under other names, like civil unions, will continue. The longer Massachusetts survives without storms of fire and brimstone from heaven, the weaker the arguments of the Religious Right become.
posted by
mousehop
on October 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM
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ETA...
Of course, Like Corbin said, if Obama is NOT in office!
posted by
NewYorker_in_Sicily
on October 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM
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I, too, am for GLBT rights and civil unions as ruled by the state
though religious marriage per se is up to the dogmas of each faith. If a certain religion deems it inopportune, they can't re-invent a religion to accommodate everyone. Besides, a civil union legally protects partners more than a religious one. I wouldn't be worried about freedom of speech being taken away from anyone if a pastor deems homosexuality wrong while preaching within the walls of his church - views of morality aren't something the state can control.
Besides, look what Jeremiah Wright got away with in his church for 20 years!
posted by
NewYorker_in_Sicily
on October 10, 2008 at 3:42 PM
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JanesO.......
I Obama wins we can expect to see........
A flurry of lawsuits against private Christian schools, churches, etc. on the gay issues, all due to the legalization of gay marriage which creates a legal framwork for a full frontal assault on American culture..........
With the Obama administration using its power to promote homosexual marriage, gay attorneys will work in tandem with Obama's justice department to chip away at religious freedom, claiming gay rights now trump constitutional rights. Lawsuits will be aimed at forcing private Christian schools to admit gay teachers and to teach gay sex alongside heterosexual sex in sex ed courses.
Similarly, churches that refuse to marry gay couples will be the subjects of lawsuits as well. Indeed, gay legal groups are already laying plans for the final assault on what's left of America's Judeo-Christian culture.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on October 10, 2008 at 3:38 PM
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