Go to I WRITE, THEREFORE I AM
- Add a comment
- Go to Your silence endorses the plagiarist blogger, whether you mean to or not
These squabbles are NOT negativity!
It's the only fun reason for visiting Blogit - it's spirited debate. Who decrees that Blogit should be a "peaceable" kingdom? Good for you for whipping some plagerizing ass. I have no drama in my own life since the fat girl split - no depression, suicidal thoughts, drug or alcohol abuse, sexual abuse, thieving so-called-friends, adultery - no nothing. Thank God I can go to Blogit and TMZ to stay entertained.
posted by
justanotherskinnybitch
on August 27, 2007 at 3:52 PM
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Julia. - excuse me for stepping in here but this is a subject I view much
the same way that you do.
The disdain, displeasure and downright hatred of the practice is a well founded sentiment for anyone producing their own original work. How can an author or artist not realize that they could well be next to see their work accredited to someone else if they do not maintain the appropriate level of ostracism for anyone who would do such a thing? Still, I am surprised that so many people have responded to your posts who do not have a clear idea of what constitutes plagiarism and/or copyright infringement. You would think that anyone who is investing so much time in producing original works as Blogit members are in their posts, would be cognizant of what is fair play in utilizing portions of the work of others. HERE is a link to a good outline that anyone who is an online publisher of any sort should take the time to read. Though not an official document by any means, it is premised upon common sense and if the guidelines are followed, any kind of trouble is unlikely.
posted by
gomedome
on August 27, 2007 at 2:01 PM
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sheilah--
oh, I know--I did understand what you meant in your comment, and that it wasn't directed at me. I am very disappointed in the behavior of quite a few bloggers, actually. That they stoop to character assassinations instead of debating the issue I was trying to put forth, is sad.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 1:43 PM
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Re: julia-you state-quote-"your silence endorces the plagiarist blogger"---
So we all came in and stood up to be counted-one way or another and what have we ended up with? Something worse than a kindergarten! Some really 'personalising' issue that I feel are outside of the original post! I look in---feel ANGRY at some of the comments---and the verbal brawling and finger pointing---so even tho' I would like to be a part of an ADULT conversation on this matter---I will make no further comments!!!! However-this does not mean I endorce plagiarism---it means that this site is being spoiled---and I might add---I just wonder how many 'clicks' are being totted up!?
posted by
Scramble
on August 27, 2007 at 1:22 PM
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Re: Julia...
as I said, my comment wasn't directed AT you...nor did I feel your post was directed at me. I didn't say you started the war nor did I accuse you of the personal attaques ... I just stated what I have seen throught blogit in general concerning this subject. I just don't agree with the way it has been evolving.
posted by
Sheilah
on August 27, 2007 at 1:18 PM
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mark--
yes, I would love to see all of the poems restored.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 1:11 PM
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sheilah--
your comment and observations were quite intelligent. I agree with you 100%. My intent in posting was not to start a blog war; I simply wanted bloggers to think about the issue of plagiarism and if they felt it was wrong for a plagiarist to be here, then they could take the appropiate action--which is, make their concerns known to Blogit. I did that from the get-go. I don't believe I have ever engaged in personal attacks of others for not sharing my opinion. That some are now turning around and attacking my character for standing against plagiarism, well, they will have to answer for that behavior somewhere, but not here. In terms of what I have done, in the proper channels--let's just say that as far as Blogit is concerned the investigation is NOT complete...
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 1:09 PM
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Re: Mark
No, I certainly don't think the Scam Man stuff is plagiarism. Photo content on the internet, by law, is considered public domain, and therefore available for all to use unless otherwise prohibited by the originator. If you read the first one, in the footnote I also credit DC comics (I'd actually written to them regarding this, which is how I found out about the whole photo availability thing). Stealing someone else's written words and claiming them as your own, however, is plagiarism.
As to who else has been plagiarized, if Mary would put up all the other poetry she removed last week, we could easily find out.
So, no, I don't believe everyone should be banned....just the plagiarists.
posted by
mark2556
on August 27, 2007 at 12:36 PM
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I plead guilty about my silence
but there's as a reason for this (besides egoism, of course). And believe me it's not because of the clicks! 
I agree that something must be done...and this comment isn't going directly to you Julie...it's going to whomever it may concern...
I believe we should never take credit for someone else's words, creations, or ideas. When I believe in something is wrong I take the appropriate action or just remain silent.
What I have seen most around blogit (I'm not speaking of all bloggers here) is not action against resolving the plagiarism, is not action against blogit ... but what I have mostly seen are personal attaques amongst bloggers other than the plagiarist.
What I have seen here is some kind of civil war... where bloggers are fighting against eachother instead of concentrating their efforts on actually trying to the resolve the issue with who has the power to stop this. So far little has been done... but turning against each other isn't going to get things done either.
So until then I will remain against plagiarism... but will refuse to participate in a personal war.
posted by
Sheilah
on August 27, 2007 at 12:32 PM
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Re: sunny--
Was good of you, though I don't see how you could have misunderstood that she needed some time away.
This is all for now. See ya.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 27, 2007 at 12:24 PM
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Anyway
Spent too long in here, already. Have stuff to do that doesn't involve a computer.
You all have a good one..really.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 27, 2007 at 12:21 PM
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mark--
you are absolutely correct, it is everyone's business.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 12:17 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mark
I know as much about him as you know about my relationship. That was my point, that wasn't clear I guess.
Anyway, I am not here to argue with you, as this matter is not about us....though you try to make everything about one person who you claim to never have cared for....over a year later.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 27, 2007 at 12:16 PM
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sunny--
no, why should I mention her name? Besides, I misunderstood her intent and her position, which has since been clarified. As such, FYI...I changed "malarkey" to "negativity" in my post.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 12:15 PM
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Re: Re: Ah Sunny dearest, where shall I begin?
It was in "quotes" as quoting her post...that is as good as mentioning the name.
Quotes don't serve a purpose without having quoted someone.
BTW...you shouldn't be here, someone here doesn't like bad spellers. 
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 27, 2007 at 12:13 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Mark
excuse me but you dont know who my fantasy man is only he does, you dont get the point do you, figures you wouldnt
posted by
Lanetay
on August 27, 2007 at 12:12 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Mark
For someone who claims they don't sit on their duff all day on blogit sure hold it a high reality.
Oh...the relationship takes place off blogit as well as on. Without blogit, my relationship wouldn't change. But I see your's would, as your fantasy men that you have writen past posts about wouldn't exist without someone to read about them
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 27, 2007 at 12:10 PM
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Re: Ah Sunny dearest, where shall I begin?
ok Julia did you mention Taps name in the blog, or am I missing something here?
posted by
Lanetay
on August 27, 2007 at 12:09 PM
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Mark
I disagree that is is "everyone's" affair.
What else has been plagerised?
And you don't think that the things you used in your Scam Man's post about Afzal was plagerism? Maybe we should just have everyone here banned...as Ariala has stated...many of us have stole pictures as well as words...some of us from adult site's, no?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 27, 2007 at 12:07 PM
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Re: Re: Mark
If Blogit isnt real life then are these people on Blogit not real, what is this about real life, then I guess the relationships formed on Blogit arent real either
posted by
Lanetay
on August 27, 2007 at 12:04 PM
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Re: Mark
I disagree that mary's plagiarism is no one else's affair. As a paying member of Blogit, I'm concerned and flabbergasted that a plagiarist is allowed to remain a member; she had many more posts that were plagiarized, and my concern is that it could happen again. She only admitted to stealing another person's work AFTER she was caught red-handed. Thus, my concern that it could happen again.
This is in no way "trying to degrade Mary", aside from any degradation resulting from the truth of what she's done. She may be a wonderful person or she may be a horrible person; I don't know and don't care. She is, however, a plagiarist, and this is a writer's site. The two do not belong together.
posted by
mark2556
on August 27, 2007 at 11:57 AM
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Mia--
thanks! (and I think you might be the lucky one!)
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 11:42 AM
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Scramble--
Many bloggers don't believe it was just a "one time thing, an honest mistake." I am not the first one to say this publicly (or privately via emails) either. Has she learned her lesson? Well, only time will tell. I respect your opinion and desire to "move on," but I don't share the same opinion. Thanks for commenting.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 11:40 AM
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callista--
thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate your viewpoint, but I am not certain there IS a better format than a "writing site" to discuss the implications of plagiarism and tolerance of plagiarism. If not here, where? Yes, I realize some bloggers do join for pure socialization, but that is not exactly how the site has been promoted by Blogit management.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 11:33 AM
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Re: Silence is Death.
Hi Pat B--what you said is absolutely true! I have recently learned that some were questioning their own feelings toward what happened, and what should have happened but didn't; they wondered if they were too harsh in their thinking. When others had the courage to speak up, their feelings were validated and they too spoke up. Thanks very much for your comment!
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 11:24 AM
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Mark
Yes, while it is true that I have engaged in arguments around here, I did not "attack" anyone without them initiating attacking behavior before hand.
And as to "He Who Must Please All Women", that is strictly your opinion (as opposed to fact), as you don't know him...but you are entitled to opinion.
I also agree with the fact that is is "silly" to argue with such attacks on a forum that isn't real life. That's why we don't engage anymore, and why when people, like say you leave those comments that you do on Afal's posts, he just thanks you and we forget about it.
Also, why nothing has been said to you by either one of us about those Scam Man, posts.
Mary, has plagerized. That is not being debated. She openly admit that. She has worked out restitution. It is no one else's affair. However, yes, Julia has a right to be upset, certainly....though her anger should be directed at blogit.
Writing them a letter every day about her feelings would have a much better affect than posting trying to get everyone to take her side, on a post that blogit will never even see unless it is reported.
And trying to degrade Mary is no LESS wrong than plagerizing. It's a human law, not a writing one. And there are many more humans here than professional writers.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 27, 2007 at 11:24 AM
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corbin--
thank you for your support, for your willingness to speak up, and for your very astute observations.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 11:19 AM
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offy--
if it is time for you to let it go, that is your personal choice to make. No one has the right to choose for another person, when it is time for
them to let something go. I respect your opinion, but I do not share it. thanks for commenting.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 11:16 AM
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Julia
Here’s my two cents worth, if it means anything at this point. Plagiarism is not acceptable in any way, shape or form. Mary and the party she plagiarized have made things right between themselves. Mary, from what I understand, was warned by Blogit and has elected to stay on at Blogit, since Blogit isn’t going to do anything further.
You feel Mary should be banned from the site, and maybe she should be, but you don’t run Blogit and neither do I. So we have to live with what they’ve said. Blogit’s idea of a “professional writing site” differs from what we might think it should be. They obviously include forgiveness for first time offenders.
The Bible talks about the unforgiveable (unpardonable, depending on your translation) sin. I never realized it was plagiarism.
posted by
Rumor
on August 27, 2007 at 8:45 AM
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Re: I am asking myself can I be part of a site that condones cheats?
KABU--I think it is a question that any self-respecting writer would be asking themselves. I already know my answer. I don't see leaving as a sign of defeat; rather, why would anyone want to be a part of a community that tolerates plagiarism?
This part of your comment is spot on: "this isn't about forgiveness or giving someone a second chance, or being charitable, or they said sorry so all is nice and settled after that. This is about a wrong was enacted and there must be consequences for those actions."
I could not have said that better myself!
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 8:32 AM
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mark--
I have such great respect and admiration for you, simply because you are NEVER afraid to tell it like it is, regardless of how it might anger those who can't handle the truth. Rest assured, YOU will never be a condescending typist! LOL.
What I love most in your comment is this: "Blogit tolerates plagiarists, and that is unfathomable to me." It's unfathomable to me as well; not just the Powers That Be, but some of the bloggers. Hard to imagine, really!
It's also hard to imagine that Blogit would "take someone down" for simply speaking the truth in plain English.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 8:28 AM
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((shrugs))
I'm not around here enough to know what's going on. But this is a very passionate post and very well written.
posted by
MiaElla
on August 27, 2007 at 8:23 AM
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Bhaskar--
Azur said it well, but it is worth repeating: tolerance of plagiarism angers me. As it should
anyone who might wish to call themselves a writer, professional or otherwise.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 8:21 AM
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lustor--
I'm not really qualified to say what the reasons are for Blogit's actions. I don't work for them, and they don't ever tell me why they do what they do! LOL. Imagine that!
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 8:18 AM
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msugatinha--
thank you for the great comment. I am sorry I didn't get to know you better, but I have a feeling we shall be seeing each other at your other blog site. Anyway, I agree with you, it is kind of ridiculous to argue over the particulars of the copyright law. You have perfectly nailed the real issue. Thanks!
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 8:16 AM
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Ah Sunny dearest, where shall I begin?
So far all I have done is speak the truth, so if I "get taken down" for that, it would truly speak volumes about this site.
Yes I have strong views on plagiarism (and please note the spelling!). But for the record, I am not mad at TAPS--I simply repeated something she had said. I personally am not tired of the malarkey, and so it seems by the comments I have received, neither are many others.
If you "perceive" it as negativity to discuss the subject of plagiarism and how condoning it affects a writing site, so be it. But nowhere have I said (nor I don't believe others have) that this is a "professional" writer's site. I said, quote, "I am a professional writer..." see the difference? But you are right...no "professional" writer needs this: 
or this: 
. I do, however, remain partial to this: 
take care Sunny--and thanks for commenting.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 8:10 AM
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I know that plagiarism is wrong-however-my work as far as I know-
has never been plagiarised!(Of course-perhaps it's not good enough.)I just feel that the plagiarist has learnt her lesson---been punished exceedingly---and is full of remorse!! I also believe that this is beeing dealt with between her and the person she 'stole' the work from!My beliefe is that-if she had actually understood about plagiarism-she would NEVER have attempted to do it--especially on any blogger sites! I feel this is a person who has been under tremendous personal and emotional strain-and-considering all things-isn't it time that we should 'move on'--insted of upsetting each other for much longer? If I tell all that I stole another woman's husband--will you treat me in the same way? Forgiveness--where is it?
posted by
Scramble
on August 27, 2007 at 8:08 AM
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azur--
that is a fantastic line!! It sounds like it could be a quote on someone's book. And thanks also for jumping in to help out Bhaskar.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 7:56 AM
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thank you riri--
you are very sweet...and have I told you that I admire you soooooo much for helping all the kitties. I probably have but I wanted to say it again.
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 7:54 AM
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soul builder--
yes, I do believe you are correct, yet I am not sure how it relates to this post? In any event, thank you for reading and commenting!
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 7:53 AM
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ThomasWelch--
well, hello there!
posted by
Julia.
on August 27, 2007 at 7:52 AM
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Re: Re: Julia
I am sure Mark you know I would stand behind what you said here, but for now that is all I will say
posted by
Lanetay
on August 27, 2007 at 7:15 AM
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Re: Negativity???
this is exactly what I am talking about its like all companies you got the money you get what you want
posted by
Lanetay
on August 27, 2007 at 7:14 AM
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Re: Re: Julia
does the word bigamist come to mind at all?
posted by
Lanetay
on August 27, 2007 at 6:58 AM
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julia,
you pay for the right to write what you want in your space. it is a wonderful thing to feel so strongly about right and wrong.
there are many different people in the world and on blogit, some in blogit are real writers, sharing ideas, expanding our minds, then some are just lonely and need a place to find "friends". there are probably as many different reasons some are in blogit as stars in the sky.
then in the end, it is a money making site, the writers hoping to cash in a little, so they vie for the top places, some try doing this with writing abilities and it works, for those that dont have the ability, other things sell, why do people have to look when driving by an accident, in hopes of seeing someone hurt, the blood, etc.
and at the end of this trail, the owners of the site are making money, they are not going to throw a paycheck away. not until they see it will cost them more to keep it.
if you have strong feelings about things, they can be utilized better in your local clubs, newpapers, etc, i guess i am saying , go out among the people, spread your ideas, you have talent , use it for some real good.
posted by
jeansaw
on August 27, 2007 at 6:47 AM
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Certain activists I know have a motto: Silence is Death.
You're right - we are often silent when we should speak up. We don't actually fear prison or persecution, torture, etc. We fear disapproving looks, "what people might think." We need acceptance, to be in. Funny thing about speaking up. It gives others the courage to do so as well.
posted by
Pat_B
on August 27, 2007 at 5:05 AM
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Negativity???
I agree about the problem with negativity.....it's just that the source is where we disagree. For me what happened was pretty damned negative......and the resulting PR campaign in the long run will have a negative impact on Blogit.......apparently a message board format is more to their liking.....as long as the payments keep coming in.....no matter who's signing the checks or for how many...
Julia, I applaud you for your stand, admire your courage to walk against the flow of the bleating herd, and respect the principles on which you have built your integrity........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 27, 2007 at 4:41 AM
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I think enough people concur with you on this, but I also believe it is time to let it go. No one is dead or seriously wounded. The author chose to forgive the blogger and now it is time for us all to take a larger view and move on.
posted by
Offy
on August 27, 2007 at 4:34 AM
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I am asking myself can I be part of a site that condones cheats?
I emailed blogit for answers to why the cheating person is still here. Sadly they don't seem to think it is worth their while to even reply although they say that they always do reply.
Julia you are showing great fortitude here by continuing with your views. C'mon guys stop condoning theft, for to take another's work as your own is theft and it's time we writers refused to accept such behavior and why this person isn't being ignored at least, is beyond me. It's hard work sometimes to sit down and write every day, don't steal it when I do!!!!! Are we truly a mob of sheep and follow the lead no matter where it takes us? If someone is number one do we have to drop all principles and read them? this isn't about forgiveness or giving someone a second chance, or being charitable, or they said sorry so all is nice and settled after that. This is about a wrong was enacted and there must be consequences for those actions. I agree with those that say that an apology after having been caught is in itself suspect. Ask yourselves if the apology would have come if she hadn't been caught out!
posted by
Kabu
on August 27, 2007 at 4:10 AM
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Re: Julia
I agree and disagree with Sunny....sort of, anyway. If you continue to write about this (which I entirely endorse) and Blogit "takes you down" for it, it just confirms the fact that this is NOT a real writer's website (you know my opinion on THAT, I think). But, viewing continued writing about this in a bad light is wrong; Blogit tolerates plagiarists, and that is unfathomable to me.
I don't agree that you're abusing anyone simply because you identify a self-admitted plagiarist. What the hell, we all have to be so homogenized and diluted that we can't tell it like it is? Anyone who does that is not a writer; they're a condescending typist.
Sunny, you've attacked your fair share of bloggers in defense of your relationship with He Who Must Please All Women, which is kind of silly in an environment that is not real, like Blogit. So, while the scenarios are entirely different, I believe some respect for Julia's passion on this subject is warranted.
Mary is a plagiarist, and she's gotten away with it as far as action on behalf of Blogit is concerned. That's an issue that shouldn't be ignored.
posted by
mark2556
on August 27, 2007 at 2:22 AM
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Bhaskar.ing, tolerance of plagiarism angers Julia
I think she has made that perfectly clear. There is only one sort of plagiarism. It is theft of the work of another.
Think of it this way. If another blogger took one of your posts and copied it without giving you credit, it would be plagiarism. It should not be condoned otherwise there is no point in offering original writing to readers here.
posted by
Azur
on August 27, 2007 at 12:21 AM
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Hi Julia
Something seems to have angered you a lot. I am really not much aware of what kind of plagiarism has been doing the rounds. So also do I see much anger comments with an issue that should be more a matter of peaceful discussion. Of course, it's my personal opinion and in no way am I advocating for or against. Hope everything will settle down on the course of acceptability. All the very best.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on August 26, 2007 at 10:37 PM
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julia
This is a world of greed and Blogit isn't any different then the rest of corporate America, they see the $$$$$ signs in front of their face and forget the TOS, they turn a blind eye to the obvious and ignore the others and the request many bloggers have made to them without really responding. I know when I had a problem with them they responded every time I wrote them. But were they in fear I would take a bunch of bloggers with me, no as we mentioned before new bloggers start every day they aren't worried about those that move on, but at the same time they want to keep the ones that bring and attract attention. Number one is always thought on as the spot to be in and lets not slap the hands that feed us.
posted by
Lanetay
on August 26, 2007 at 10:26 PM
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My last words
Note to all those who knew me when I was on here: I thought my subscription ran up quite a while ago but about a week ago absentmindedly typed in my name and password (it is the same as my e-mail password) as I had left blogit as my homepage. So, all that to say... it was not a lie when I said my days were limited. I was happily surprised when I found I could still log on. But these will be my last words on here. If you care to see my blog elsewhere feel free to e-mail through blogit. Ok... now that that is out of the way and all of you know I wasn't making things up. It is with interest I have watched this incident about plagiarism unfold. I have to say I'm shocked at the response of some of the bloggers. I can't believe they think that just because MAYBE the poem (or poems??) wasn't (or weren't) copyrighted or protected under some form of copyright law suddenly that makes it ok?
What really gets me going about this is that copyright laws have NOTHING to do with credit. Even if something is NOT covered under copyright law that does not mean you can say it is your own. I mean... Shakespeare's plays are in the public domain now... does that mean suddenly anyone can claim those words as their own? Of course not!!!!! Any logical person would agree with that. So, to me, it doesn't matter if the poems were covered by copyright law. As a writer, as a blogger and as a student of literature and journalism it offends me that anyone could think that it even matters if something is covered under copyright in a situation of plagiarism.
To me... it has nothing to do with the issue. The issue is: someone took a poem that they didn't write. They said they wrote it. Didn't correct anyone when people complemented it. Didn't apologize until much later. To me, any personal issues are also irrelevant. I like this particular blogger and feel for her pain,(I too have been suicidal and in many desperate situations in life) but does that mean it is ok to do something wrong? I have to say no. I also agree that she should be forgiven on a personal note, but that it is horrible that this situation has continued the way it has. I doubt that blogit cares how I feel especially since I have already canceled, but I think what we as people in the community do have a control over is rankings and clicks.
This is my last word as I said... This is a very hot button issue for me and I appreciate anyone who made it to the end. Thanks and I did enjoy blogit while it lasted.
posted by
msugatinha
on August 26, 2007 at 10:16 PM
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Julia
I believe that you will continue to write about it till one or both of you are taken down.
Aside from your strong view on plagerizm, I think you are letting your emotions get out of control. I've seen you attack another blogger, that you had called a friend, in her comment section, just because she had a different view than you.
And now, you are adding something in your post that TAPS has said? And why?
TAPS had agreed with you, but now you're angry with her too, because she can't stomach any more of this nonsense?
I highly agree with those leaving for the purpose that they can't stand the negativity. I won't stick around such a negative lot...I've had too much negativity in my younger years, and as an adult, I don't cater to negativity.
However, I can avoid or work around the negativity, where as some people here can't.
If someone wants to go away for a while to avoid this crap around here, I think it's very rude for you to talk in this manner about them, and might I add...quite unprofessional.
THIS is not real life. And it is NOT a professional writing site. What are these?(
) ... This came with the package...that alone right there should speak for itself.
What professional writing site needs these things?
I think you've gotten quite a few people supporting you right now... but when people get tired of all this, and you abuse them for wanting to get away from here, you're going to lose a lot of friends and a lot of support.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 26, 2007 at 8:49 PM
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Julia
If the writers do not say what they have to say, they have nothing.
posted by
Azur
on August 26, 2007 at 8:37 PM
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your voice speaks well-- YEAH
posted by
riri0322
on August 26, 2007 at 8:08 PM
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Julia
The work is yours once you begin to type. So says literary marketplace!
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Soul_Builder101
on August 26, 2007 at 8:07 PM
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Hello......
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ThomasWelch
on August 26, 2007 at 8:04 PM
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