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THANKS FOR ENLIGHTENING
WHAT A GREAT DISCOVERY. OF COURSE THE MEDIA-BOTH CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL LIE. BUT NO MATTER WHAT "ANGLE" YOU SEE THIS FROM-IT IS THE SAME. WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT? AND HAVE YOU WRITTEN TO ANY KIND OF PUBLICATION OR NETWORK? I HATE THIS WAR BUT I LOVE OUR SOLDIERS. MY HUSBAND IS A DECORATED VIETNAM VET AND SIX OF MY GREAT UNCLES SERVED IN WWII. I USED TO SIT GLUED TO CNN AND OR FOX NEWS ,BUT I WAS OVERDOSING ON IT AND WAS ALMOST OBSSESSED. IT CONSUMED ME-AND OF COUSE I WATCHED SO CLOSELY, I OFTEN CAUGHT THESE KINDS OF DISCREPANCIES,WHICH WOULD OUTRAGE ME. I WOULD TELL SOMEONE OR SHOW THEM-BUT IT WAS LOST ON OTHERS -SO MUCH APATHY. NOW I HAVE A LITTLE MORE BALANCE-NOT TOO MUCH ,BUT SOME. GOD BLESS & THANX FOR THE HEADS UP.
posted by
HEARMENOW
on June 7, 2006 at 6:35 PM
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If I'm Missing...
...your point, it's because it's not a particularly important one.
Yes, these things are under investigation at the moment. And yes, the Marines are held to be innocent until proven guilty - unlike the 490 people in Guantanamo Bay, of course, or tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, but let's not digress.
But the US military have been stomping around the Middle East for so long now that all this stuff is becoming normalised. Whether THIS particular massacre took place with THESE particular marines is something of a red herring. The real concern is that the US military are stepping out of line on a regular basis - one of the links offered below has a few soldiers admitting as much on camera! Christ - even our own top military people out there have been publically expressing concern that the US military - sections of it, at least - are out of control!
I'm sure you were on this "hold on a minute" track when the Abu Ghraib pictures were first released. Now, at least, people are being jailed for those abuses, though they tend to be monkeys, whilst the organ grinders stay free.
So yes, we can "hold on a minute" until we see how this sorry tale pans out. But either way, to smokescreenb with media-this and liberal-that is to miss the underlying point that the US military are, in some places at least, acting like the SS.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on June 6, 2006 at 7:07 AM
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D
Yep.....they're horrifying headlines...but right now that's all they are...they could turn out to be the truth. But we Americans should not be accepting or spreading across the land that these things are the Gospel according to MSM.........
The left here seems to miss the point.......you walk into a grocery and hear people talking....."Did You hear about the Marines murdering those Iraqis?"
That has not been established. It could be, but not yet.
Here's an example of the slant.....the reporting of the terrorists in Canada....It never says they were Arab or Muslim plotters......it was reported as a group of mixed ethnic origin.......really?....look at the names and countries of origin...their common denominator is they're all from Islamic countries.....but that is left out of the reports. Meanwhile the Marines are murderers....not alleged murderers.....
That is the point.......some get it, some don't........and some, unfortunately, refuse to.......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 6, 2006 at 5:37 AM
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Corbin,
You said in one of your comments that the reporters mix up their agenda with the facts. This should be a quote that goes on the wall of every newsroom in America. These mostly left leaning liberal loonies report the news as they want it to be rather than the way it actually happens. Keep up these wonderful posts. The left hates America and will do anything to try to bring it down.
posted by
sarooster
on June 6, 2006 at 3:34 AM
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So It's...
...all slanted my the sections of the media that you don't agree with, right?
Hmmmm....
Iraq War Vets talk about Random Civilian KillingsNew 'Iraq Massacre' Tape Emerges
Haditha: the worst US atrocity since VietnamUS confronts brutal culture among its finest sons Marine's wife paints portrait of US troops out of control in HadithaNew Evidence Undermines U.S. Iraq ClaimsAnd are we to accept that this is ALL smoke, with not the slightest hint of fire anywhere?
I have my doubts.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on June 6, 2006 at 2:40 AM
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So should we ignore all reporters in favor of what some bloggers say?
The blogger sitting in their house versus the reporter out in the field? Sure there are some lousy and lazy reporters who hit the bar too long but there are many good ones who risk their lives on a daily basis in order to send home informative reports. I think that most people have no idea of the kinds of decisions that those kinds of reporters have to make every day. It should not be forgotten that they must sift through the multitude of truths and lies and misconceptions that they are fed every day. Some of what they hear is managed, and some is what they find out. Then they must verify it and distill all of that into something meaningful. All of that at a time when the appetites and demands of news organizations have never been greater.
I have not covered news in a combat zone but I have been the colleague at the other end of the phone in the bureau and it is hard enough to make sense of it there let alone out in the field. It takes years to develop those skills. I have friends and colleagues who worked in these difficult areas. I've seen them head out with their flak jackets. Some colleagues have even died in pursuit of the details of a story. Most of the reporters that I have worked with are invested with a passionate desire to find the facts. They seek the facts for everyone, even for bloggers who remain in their comfort zone.
posted by
Azur
on June 5, 2006 at 9:51 PM
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Yes, Corbin, they are fighting more than one enemy
-- the enemy of a wrong move, at the wrong time, in the wrong place, and I am talking about the war itself. It is my prayer that none of these assucations of our service men and women are true!
posted by
MountainClimber57
on June 5, 2006 at 9:32 PM
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PS:
That is not meant to imply that the photos in your post are anything but real. I'm seeing similarities in other respects.
posted by
Lensman
on June 5, 2006 at 9:29 PM
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Corbin
It reminds me of the "troubles" in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) during the 1980s. Enough references abound to make them less than apocryphal, telling of lazy-ass PC reporters who, blinded by their preconceived notions and, rather than get off their asses and dig for the truth, used to hang out in a certain Harare hotel bar (similar to Hanoi, I believe it was) and exchange bullshit which later passed for news. Sure, they'd venture out once in a while, but only to take photographs of blacks snoozing on the grass in local parks and later portray the scene as the aftermath of bloody riots, the sprawled bodies in the parks as "victims" of police massacres. And the world bought it.
posted by
Lensman
on June 5, 2006 at 9:23 PM
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People of a Liberal slant....
sure do like to throw around the term "facts".......if you are gullible enough to accept news reports as "facts".....you need to re-examine what you perceive a fact to be.
In the past 5 1/2 years....how many "facts" have we seen reported about this administration....our troops.....and the status of various aspects of the war.....dozens? Dozens of charges because reporters today have also forgotten what a fact is......and they.......how did you say it? Mix up? They mix up there agenda with the facts....
Yet, were this a Conservative, or a Christian, or an Administration official doing this there would be cries of outrage across the motley crew know as the "Mainstream Media".......
They should all be ashamed.....but shame come from having a set of core values....something missing from anyone that would do this type of shabby work.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 5, 2006 at 9:02 PM
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Corbin
I don't know about you but a lot of the stuff I see in the US Media is not fact, has been proved not to be fact. You remember that anchor who just conveniently retired because all was not cricket.... Believe what experience tells you is believable, not what somebody tells you to believe. You are right those photos are tampered with, it is not our stance to do such and those who are citizens of this country should be drafted if they are 80 when they are putting down those in this country who have fought for the freedom of our whining cowards.
posted by
Justi
on June 5, 2006 at 2:11 PM
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I DON'T ASSUME ANYTHING OF THE SORT
I AM STATING FACTS AS THEY HAVE BEEN STATED IN THE NEWS MEDIA.
or haven't you seen any news other than that which satisfies your uninformed views?
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 5, 2006 at 2:06 PM
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Corbin,
Yes, we should be outraged.
posted by
Amanda__
on June 5, 2006 at 9:15 AM
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Xeno
As always you automatically assume anything that is against the troops, this administration, and America as a whole is proof enough of any kind of wrong doing........
Nothing has been proven as of yet.........but keep shooting from the hip, Quickdraw...
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 5, 2006 at 6:59 AM
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i would say an error in use of photos
but there is no one denying that the marines did massacre civilians
that's the bottom line.
eyewitness acounts and suc hwill still have to be ironed out probably --
usually not all are truthful.
but -- the change in the story by marines, etc. indicates that a cover up might have happened.
sorry to tell you this old chap, but Americans can be pretty evil too.
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 5, 2006 at 6:26 AM
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This Is An Odd Subject For Me
Given my husband was there and there I have "some" insight on some things. Certain things happen in Iraq on a regular basis. One of those things are curfews. Curfews are made known to EVERYONE and there is no mistaking that there is one in place. If someone is out after curfew they can be shot, no questions asked. Why? Because anyone who is out after curfew KNOWS better and knows the consequenses and it is assumed that they are doing something they should not be doing.
As my husband said: We don't have all the facts, we don't know what happened. If this was a case of cold blooded killing for the sake of killing, the the Marines should be prosecuted. But until we have FACTS versus the Media hype we need to reserve judgement.
Is it impossible that the Marines simply went off on civilians? Probably not, but it is also very possible we are not getting the ENTIRE story. As for me, I am used to only part of the story being told about what is happening in Iraq because too many are afraid if they report anything good or decent the troops are doing someone might actually rethink bashing those troops.
posted by
bel_1965
on June 5, 2006 at 6:02 AM
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Corbin,
this is utterly infuriating, but doesn't surprise me. And D, as usual, misses the point, which was that there are people who will go to great lengths to slant and falsify the news because of their agenda! It does not say that the Marines currently under investigation are innocent!
posted by
Nautikos
on June 5, 2006 at 5:59 AM
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I always love it when...
a Liberal alludes to something like this as a mix-up? I certainly didn't state that anyone was innocent....but they deserve a fair hearing....something they're not going to get in the Drive-By Media
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 5, 2006 at 5:42 AM
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One...
...mix-up / irresponsibly used photograph does not mean the US marines are innocent - not by a very long way! In fact, evidence is emerging that haditha may actually be the tip of the iceberg.
I'll post something about this shortly, cos you won't see it on Faux News!
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on June 5, 2006 at 4:53 AM
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The media only cares about selling newspapers...
Or accumulating the Best Ratings. They aren't all that concerned about fairness - they exploit whenever and wherever they can. It's easy for them to rationalize what they do.
posted by
Passionflower
on June 4, 2006 at 9:29 PM
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Passion
There's some pretty strong things being said and reported......I think it's completely irresponsible.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 4, 2006 at 7:41 PM
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I don't think we can judge those marines...we haven't been there.
And we havent seen or done what they have. It's easy to sit at home in your warm, safe house and say that these marines were wrong. But you don't have any idea what living over there and being involved in this war will do to a person.
posted by
Passionflower
on June 4, 2006 at 7:34 PM
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