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As I was going throug I came across this and I was really crossed. I still can't understand why some think that Israelites are not in their rightful land. Furthermore, driving Israel out of their land and giving it out to Palestinian is the worse thing to imagine. It won't even stop terrorism nor will it bring peace. While some of you will not accept, There is a sort of selective solidarity in those wishing to destroy Israel and God will not accept. To conclude, Palestin as a country never existed without the creation of the British, the activist know this best.
posted by
Flame-thrower
on September 12, 2005 at 3:24 AM
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ARIEL
I do try to practice restraint when it comes to everyone, except GlenB. I take issue with him on every point. Reason being, he takes issue on all of us no matter what the point is. As to the others, most of them are inteligent enough to leave a comment worthy of debate!
posted by
Offy
on August 20, 2005 at 5:35 PM
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glennB, offbeat et al
Who now remembers the " Schleswig Hostein " affair/problem, to give it but two of its many names? That dispute over the sovereignty of that place on the borders of Germany and Denmark?
At the time of this " affair " the British newspapers were filld with - often bellicose and jingoistic - leaders, comments, and reader's letters. It was THE CRISIS of the time, and well nigh led to another European war.
And yet, a few years later, Queen Victoria could say ( one wonders if half humorously ) that only three people remembered it ; one was dead, one was mad, and she was the other.
A salutory lesson in how easily a problem can become a crisis can become a war.
Reading you posts and comments ( which in themselves constitute almost a civil war ) one is reminded forcibly of the SH affair referred to above, and the hot air that it generated at the time.
To seek pure " right" and pure " wrong" in any war is utterly futile ; the Iraq war being no exception. Whatever one may feel about it as it is being waged, nobody can foretell its results. Only time will tell if it was successful/s failure, or whatever.
Regardless of its rights and wrongs, and the dubious resons for waging it, how can we possibly know how many Islamic nations of individuals it has deterred from striking out at the west? Just like capital punishment, isn't it? To argue against it on the grounds of its non-deterrence is to try to prove a negative ; for nobody can know who was deterred from commtting murder from fear of execution.
I feel very strongly that you should all try to restrain you tempers ; agree to differ on things on which you'll never agree, and spread a little brotherly love instead.
If I were an Islamic terrorist reading your posts and comments, I would think that I had already won the war, for with my enemy riven by somuch dissension, how could I lose?
posted by
ariel70
on August 20, 2005 at 6:53 AM
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GlenB
As usual another stupid statement comes from you lack of brain. You still divide people into races, Any race should feel guilty for killing another despite race..Duh to you...
"white people don't care about killing blacks"........what era do you live in and is your head so completely buried in the sand you don't know it is a crime to kill anyone idiot?
Don't make this post of Kingmi's about race, it is not his intent and therefore " Bite me" We do not endorse murder. George Bush is not a murder, the loonies we are fighting are dip shit!
posted by
Offy
on August 20, 2005 at 6:24 AM
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I find Sheehan's "you killed my son" no more ridiculous than I find
Bush's "we're fighting for democracy and freedom." Both statements are a bit hard to digest. But grief or no grief, stating that America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine would be the end of terrorism is either the height of naivete or stupidity (or both). That statement is about as implicitly moronic as the president's argument that we're fighting them over there now, so we won't have to fight them over here later.
And Sheehan has every right to say whatever she likes, whether we like it or not, whether it makes sense or not. Just as much as our president. Regardless of the assininity of some of her statements, if the woman becomes the catalyst or the focal point of an anti-war movement that ultimately gets our troops out of Iraq, then good for her. And good for our troops.
posted by
saul_relative
on August 19, 2005 at 10:14 PM
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Damon
I've heard you use the reference "illegal invasion" several times now and I would like to ask you exactly who it is that deems such incursions legal and whether or not this entity itself operates within the boundaries of legality and prudence?
And maybe it was someone else, but I thought it was you who once said that Blair (aider and abetter of this horribly "corrupt" govt.) would be gone this term. Perhaps you do not speak for so many of your countrymen after all. That thought is very comforting.
posted by
jethro
on August 19, 2005 at 1:52 PM
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It's Easy...
...(and cowardly) to denegrate the anti-war efforts of a lady who has lost her son as a result of a pack of lies and an illegal invasion.
She needs porfessional help.
She's cheapening the death of her son.
She's suffering from PTSS by proxy.
FUCK OFF with all your cod psychology!!!
She knows her son died for a pack of lies, and she's going to make life as uncomfortable as possible for the most evil and corrupt "administration" America has ever seen. That's not a mental problem. That's sanity, speaking out in a nation currently in the grip of insanity.
As for your title, and her idea, it's simplistic, but it would go a LONG way in the right direction.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on August 19, 2005 at 1:35 AM
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Offbeatpub,
My solution is very simple! Prosecute George Bush for crimes against "Brown Humanity"! I know White folk don't think it is a crime to kill Black folk! So you keep setting up yourselves as superior and the cycle continues! I have the solution, but you won't like it!
posted by
Glennb
on August 16, 2005 at 8:01 PM
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Kingmi - if we truly have an all-volunteer army ...
why aren't the President's supporters (all 38 percent of them) just dying to go over to Iraq and fight the terrorists there. Oh, I forgot. They ducked the chance to serve when they had the chance during VietNam.
posted by
fwmystic
on August 16, 2005 at 7:50 PM
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OBP, thank you for your tolerance and patience.
posted by
kingmi
on August 16, 2005 at 7:25 PM
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Billy I defer to your experience in the field, sir.
posted by
kingmi
on August 16, 2005 at 7:24 PM
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GLENB
BITE ME, YOU OFFER NO SOLUTION, JUST A BIG MOUTH THAT RUNS ON SHIT!!
posted by
Offy
on August 16, 2005 at 3:24 PM
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kingmi - the people who feel Sheehan goes to far wouldn't have
like Thoreau either. Bush has killed too many Americans for us to try to be cool about the rage someone feels who has lost someone to this effort.
posted by
FreeManWalking
on August 16, 2005 at 11:37 AM
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Offbeatpub,
And you are just a "normal" Bush suck-up! Who is better humanity?
posted by
Glennb
on August 15, 2005 at 9:05 PM
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JJWilde, I like the suggestions that Newt Gingrich has made about the Iowa
Caucuses: make them combined Demo and Repub. That way people are less extremist. Maybe they can meet in the middle.
posted by
kingmi
on August 15, 2005 at 3:22 PM
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Kingmi
Although I think the Iraq War is absurd, I bet that before her son was tragically killed in Oil Land, she was waving the flag, and "supporting" our troops as they "fought them there so as not to have to fight them here". Then her son was killed. Now she is totally against the Oil War. Not very consistent.
posted by
Pooch116
on August 15, 2005 at 2:23 PM
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Kingmi
Only in America will you see her own people sprewing such hatred in large type. Maybe Americans should have living abroad as a part of their education, it might give them a better understanding of how the world works.. God Bless GWB...I sure sleep well at night knowing he is the commander in chief~~
As JJ suggested, you may want to consider changing the title...
posted by
Offy
on August 15, 2005 at 4:03 AM
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kingmi,
Perhaps it would be a good idea to rename political blogs ''Tower of Babel.'' It might not be appropriate for the posts, but at least it would reflect the nature of the associated comment areas.
JJ
posted by
Jack_Flash
on August 15, 2005 at 3:57 AM
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agreed
*You get America out of Iraq, Israel out of Palestine, you'll stop terrorism*
Bush is a monster and so is Ariel Sharon...if only we could get rid of all those dictators...
posted by
Marshallengraved
on August 15, 2005 at 3:29 AM
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Kingmi
I really feel bad this woman lost her son, but she is a tad "out there." As her other son requested, she really needs to go home. She can get professional help there. For her it is not out her son anymore, she seeks the camera for her own agenda. The woman needs help!
posted by
Offy
on August 15, 2005 at 3:28 AM
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Impeachment
Maybe WE wouldn't hve to consider impeachment, if WE were more involved in polit9cs and more careful about who WE vote for and put in office.
posted by
Truthteller
on August 15, 2005 at 2:56 AM
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Twodog,
The sad story is Bush is void of the courage to say a word to comfort a woman who is in obvious distress about her loss! You people can only go to Hell!
posted by
Glennb
on August 14, 2005 at 7:37 PM
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FLIGHTPATH,
You Ass! Iraq, Iraq, has nothing in common with September 11, 2001!
posted by
Glennb
on August 14, 2005 at 7:35 PM
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...and what does Sheehan say of 9/11 victim's families???
posted by
reasons
on August 14, 2005 at 6:35 PM
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kingmi
It is extremely to slip from grief into celebrity, and, I believe that's the situation here. To bad, it cheapens her son's sacrifice.
posted by
twodog
on August 14, 2005 at 5:32 PM
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Madame, I so agree. I'm worried about her though.
posted by
kingmi
on August 14, 2005 at 1:51 PM
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To be perfectly honest, I think she's already received...
more than enough attention from the media.
B is for Basil assaulted by bears
posted by
Mademoiselle
on August 14, 2005 at 1:35 PM
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