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Shavonne
Well at least one other person (you) can see it for what it is. As for the Iraqi death toll figures, they came from a well thought of British medical journal, although the figure of 100,000 was said to be "conservative". As for people in Britain, most of them just don't think enough about anythng outside their own lives, unless it has 24/7 news coverage for at least five days.
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chris2303
on January 5, 2005 at 4:19 AM
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This post represents my thoughts on the whole relief effort. I don't know how accurate the civilian death toll is in Iraq but I'm willing to bet that your figure is close. Americans don't want to know how many Iraqis have died that's why you won't see it on any of our news channels. A dead Muslim is a good Muslim it seems. Now, USA can spend billions of dollar on a war which as probably killed just as many people (both Iraqi and coalition) as the tsunami but can only donate 350 million dollars for a relief effort? But, 51% of America is right because, you know they're christian.
posted by
Shavonne
on January 4, 2005 at 8:49 PM
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DEVILINME1
You'll have to wait your turn. I have the penis of a four year old boy, so you're going to have to wait in line for that thrity cents...
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:54 AM
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beachbelle
Good points...
And yes, Diana: the princess nobody gave a shit about until she was dead.
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:53 AM
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blurgurdsha
Yeah, you're right. All it took was one piece of evidence to sway me. Well done.
You imply that one day I'll be proved wrong. Proved wrong about what, exactly? All I've done is point out what a great big bunch of hypocrites people generally are.
As for me being the voice of the Iraqis, well, that sort of comment can only come from someone who relies on FOX TV to formulate their opinions and ideals for them. How does it go again? U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:51 AM
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Chris2303
My understanding in this case is that many people feel inadequate to help enough. Of course SOME give because it is the thing to do, and they feel some pressure to so, and then think they are so great because they actually made a donation when in effect they could afford to give more. But better this than fashion to be part of the public mourning which followed the death of Diana, for example.
posted by
beachbelle
on January 3, 2005 at 2:46 AM
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WHAMENATOR
That's right. There are a lot of cats out there, and there are a lot of fats. If I had a suit, I would definitely look to charity as a way of exploiting peoples' good will to expand my already full bank account.
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:38 AM
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tweedhead
That's right, stick to those institutions who you can trust with your money, and definitely stick to the ones who will put a 9ft tall basketball player in your team.
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:37 AM
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beachbelle
I understand your points, and agree with you that now is not the time to stop helping. You say that the tsunami is the most needing cause at the moment. I say it possibly is (does anyone know exactly what is going on in Fallujah and Mosul?), but what it definitely is, is fashionable.
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:35 AM
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Spitfire70
Well, the figure of 100,000 deaths in Iraq was conducted a respected medical journal, who published the figure as conservative, meaning there probably are more people dead, or dying. The chances are no mainstream media network will have the balls to publish accurate civilian death tolls, so we probably won't hear nothing on the matter again.
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:31 AM
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gypsyredhead
Sure, I'm not against people helping out anyway they can, but on the other hand I'm amazed at how hypocritical the whole thing is. You know, we brush some things under the rug and give money to anything else.
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:29 AM
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KlaraRoberts
Hmm, well I haven't explored it that throughly, since there isn't too much to explore. I just couldn't understand the support for this disaster compared to an "equal" disaster in Iraq.
posted by
chris2303
on January 3, 2005 at 2:26 AM
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You can donate to the itty bitty titty cause, since you only donate
to causes that benefit you.. can't have flat chested women running around. And since I have the body of a 14 year old boy.. you can send your money on over to my house. Thank you.
posted by
Kiddo75
on January 2, 2005 at 6:04 PM
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Tuesday's Gone
Hey, you know I think our government is spending enough money in Iraq to last a few generations--lets say the atrocious number is accurate and 100,000 PEOPLE have died, well if we end up paying the 80+ billion dollars estimated right now for the War in Iraq, that adds up to 800,000$ per person spent on a war that includes implementing every last morcel of technology available to help avoid the killing of innocents, but no, now the complete hypocrisy shines forth and righteous indignants spew forth from their computer-side thrones of impunity, I don't even know what that means but I hope you do and I hope you keep thinking what you do right up until the moment where you realize you're wrong, it seems like all it takes is one piece of evidence and you are completely swayed, let me say lastly that someone named 'Chris' is the last person I would expect to truly represent the 'voice of the Iraqis'. over and out soldier.
posted by
blurgurdsha
on January 2, 2005 at 4:47 PM
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In my early college years, I worked for a charity.
I canvassed for an organization and I was making a ton of money. Sadly, I think .15 of every dollar I collected went to the cause at hand, so I quit after about a week or two, because of conscience and integrity. But as a result, I am very reluctant to donate my cash to any charitable organization to pay some CEO 6 figures a year, and the money is really helping a fat cat get fatter, rather than the people that our intentions are to help.
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 3:28 PM
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I have reservations about charities that do not have people on the ground. Ergo, my charities are either direct or through institutions I trust like the Red Cross, Caritas and church based insitutions where there is a huge component of voluntary labour. I am suspicious of "charitable institutions" that spend 2/3 of their funds on administration. I'd sooner spend my money buying the house a drink at the Rainbow Club on Canterbury Street! Or volunteering to pay for a new set of uniforms for my basketball team!
posted by
tweedhead
on January 2, 2005 at 3:14 PM
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Chris2303
The world has been overlooking this for a long time - way too long. And all along there have been places where people could contribute but have they? Likewise, how persistent have people been in seeking to help the homeless in their own country. It's funny how they only plead the case when the money is seen to be going elsewhere. Why do they not help at normal times?
But this is hardly the time not to give based on that principal. Better to give as much as one can in as many directions as possible.
When I heard of the tsunami I thought of once that it was worst possible news for those who need help elsewhere. But for the moment the need there is the most extreme and immediate.
posted by
beachbelle
on January 2, 2005 at 3:02 PM
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Hi Chrissy. Great post here.
I love the term $fuck. You should trademark it. It's pretty powerful. Anyway, another scary thought about the 100,000 deaths due to TWAT is that it's end is no where in sight. Maybe when 100,000 more are killed it'll jog some clues. Maybe. I'm not gonna hold my breath.
posted by
SpitFire70
on January 2, 2005 at 2:50 PM
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Chris...
Definitely see your point of view here. We just do what we can and that's it.
posted by
RedHeadedGypsy
on January 2, 2005 at 2:44 PM
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This is a whole new slant on this, Chris, and you've explored it so
thoroughly. Very, very good points.
posted by
KlaraRoberts
on January 2, 2005 at 1:26 PM
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WHAMENATOR
For some reason I'm always low on Kleenex, will porn do?
posted by
chris2303
on January 2, 2005 at 7:29 AM
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Chris........
about the bra.....I have quite large breasteses, so you may need some help in filling it out, like a whole box of kleenex, for each cup.
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 7:24 AM
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unicorn
It's a good point, I'm sure there are more than enough people in the U.S. who could also do with the money.
posted by
chris2303
on January 2, 2005 at 7:24 AM
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WHAMENATOR
Yes, they may ring truth, but why do people write and sing these lyrics? So they can afford all the bling bling? Or so they can help the people they're singing about?
Damn right I'm a miserable git. Now about that bra, I was actually thinking of wearing it - will it fit me, do you think?
posted by
chris2303
on January 2, 2005 at 7:22 AM
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here's a thought, why not throw some of the money
to help those in the U.S.?
Sorry, couldn't help sticking my 2 cents worth in on this, but I've already ranted about it in my own post.
posted by
PastorB
on January 2, 2005 at 7:20 AM
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People hurting,
people dying!
Children hurting,
hear them crying!
Where is the love?
Chris, how can you hate those lyrics? They ring such a truth?
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 7:14 AM
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You have to admit, whether you like the tune, the lyrics are powerful......
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 7:11 AM
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Chris, you want me to ship you a bra, with my scent on it???
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 7:10 AM
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WHAMENATOR: I hate that song like I hate my own mother.
posted by
chris2303
on January 2, 2005 at 7:09 AM
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SYMPHONY
We just carry on as normal and put all our spare cash into buting reduced priced food at Sainsbury's.
posted by
chris2303
on January 2, 2005 at 7:09 AM
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WHAMENATOR
Well, I was hoping for the bra but your heart will do nicely. haha
posted by
chris2303
on January 2, 2005 at 7:08 AM
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Chris2303
have you heard the Black Eyed Peas' "Where Is The Love?" Even if it is not your brand of music, the lyrics make it a great song!
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 7:08 AM
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very interesting chris
so what now?
posted by
_Symphony_
on January 2, 2005 at 7:07 AM
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The love is right here in my heart for you, Chris!
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 7:06 AM
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WHAMENATOR
Nyah, it's just plain hypocrisy. Especially those idiots who think Bush and co. has "done good this time". Take the British government, with elections coming up, you just know they're going to pour as much money into it as they can.
At the end of the day, Iraq is just as much of a disaster as the tsunami. Where's the love? Not in my wallet, that's for sure.
posted by
chris2303
on January 2, 2005 at 7:05 AM
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Chris, I guess because needless deaths preceded the needless deaths in Iraq
they are more "justified" as a cost, whereas there was no cause for the tsunami's death and destruction???
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on January 2, 2005 at 6:45 AM
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