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Evangeline
we have troops stationed all over the world not just in IRAQ, as many ill-informed Americans believe. Our military is everywhere, places that you can not imagine and the families of these military personnel can not disclose. There are other countries that have made threats that as Americans we do not know the government does not disclose or make public this knowledge. It is all linked and 9/11 is linked to the Persian Gulf War as well as Iraqi freedom.
posted by
StrickGold
on September 21, 2004 at 7:31 PM
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Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11
and plans for invading Iraq were on the table since the 1990s. If Bush was serious about terror, he would have stayed and secured Afghanistan, instead of doing it on the cheap so that he could have troops in Iraq. Now the world is less safe and Iraq is at war with itself.
posted by
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on September 21, 2004 at 1:39 PM
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sarwood...soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines ARE free
to voice their disagreements with policy. They can't stir up hate and discontent, or become mutinous but by no means is anyone required to toe the party line. I tell people my views all the time.
posted by
FreeManWalking
on September 16, 2004 at 5:36 AM
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archiew...
...and that's what scares the thinking people who don't unquestioningly swallow Fox News pap.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 16, 2004 at 5:03 AM
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This Blog
states our position very well.
posted by
archiew
on September 12, 2004 at 1:59 PM
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Perhaps this would be the time to point out...
the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on September 12, 2004 at 5:49 AM
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You-Look-So-Fabulous
ANY president would have made the decision to defend us. That is not a definitive statement. We are a fortunate people, we can be particular about how our defense is run -- its competency and its moral value and our future, as well.
Others on this Post: If you think the soldiers feel free to say what is really on their minds when asked, you are vastly mistaken. We ARE a military family, and my son is fighting now. If he were asked by you or the press, he would spew the same stuff. They are not given free speech. What I know is that we as a family do not trust Bush. We think he is a cocky little twit who has never had to do anything truly difficult in his life and that he operates as a "cheerleader" for global corporate elites like the Carlyle Group and the Oil Industry.... We can't wait to vote for Kerry.
And don't try to tell me that fighting for freedom means that I don't have the freedom to criticize the president -- who is supposed to be serving ALL the people, not just his business cronies and Evangelicals.
posted by
sarwood
on September 12, 2004 at 5:45 AM
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DUMS...
...I love it when you wander out to make a comment! You give me SO MUCH to work with ;-) MY COMMENTS IN CAPS...
All America has ever done is stand for freedom and to liberate the oppressed.
YEAH, RIGHT. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE 27 COUNTRIES AMERICA HAS BOMBED SINCE 1945? BOMBING THEM INTO FREEDOM - NICE STRATEGY!
Arabs, muslimes are terrorists' and they live on hatred.
THIS IS PRESUMABLY BASED ON YEARS OF LIVING IN THE ARAB WORLD, TALKING TO MUSLIMS AND LISTENING TO THEIR VIEWS? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO. OH, AND WHEN YOU CRITICISE A HUGE GROUP OF PEOPLE, AT LEAST TRY TO SPELL THE NAME RIGHT. OTHERWISE, YOU LOSE ANY LAST SHRED OF CREDIBILITY YOU MAY HAVE LEFT.
Because Kerry is weak and will give America's soverignty away in heartbeat.
REALLY? WHO TO?
Right now the unemployment rate is 5.4%. That is half what Europe's rate is...
NO. IF IT WAS HALF, THAT WOULD MAKE THE EU RATE 10.8. IN FACT, IT'S 8.8%, AND THE UK IS 5.4%. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, OR SEE ABOVE COMMENT RE: CREDIBILITY.
Everything that has gone wrong with America can be traced to democrats and their stupid policies. The Carter years were absolutely terrible and that is when all this terrorism stuff started happening. The fool couldn't deal with it and many died. Carter to this day shows himself to be a fools fool by supporting Kerry, the biggest fool of all.
FUNNY YOU NEVER MENTION NIXON, PROBABLY NOT THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME, BUT CERTAINLY THE ONE THAT GOT CAUGHT. OH, AND INTERESTING, TOO, THAT CHENEY AND RUMSFELD ONCE WORKED IN THE NIXON WHITE HOUSE. GUESS THEY LEARNT FROM THEIR MISTAKES BACK THEN, AND NOW THEY'RE FLEECING FOLK LIKE YOU INTO BELIEVING ALL THE BULLSHIT THEY SPEW.
The next democrat president will be the end of freedom in America, and the world will be screwed.
HATE TO DISAPPOINT YOU, BUT AMERICA IS NOT THE WORLD. GET AN ATLAS.
Imagine the world without America. It would still be back in the dark ages.
AH, YES - THE OLD AMERICA-AS-ONLY-ENGINE-OF-PROGRESS MYTH. THE US HAS ONLY EXISTED FOR LESS THAN THREE HUNDRED YEARS, DUDE!! YOU'RE ONE OF THE NEWER KIDS ON THE BLOCK, AND SIZE DON'T GUARANTEE LONGEVITY. IF YOU WANT PROOF, GO READ UP ABOUT THE ROMAN EMPIRE, THE BRITISH EMPIRE, THE INCAS, THE MAYANS, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, THE PERSIAN EMPIRE. THE MIGHTY ALWAYS FALL, EVENTUALLY.
Have a nice day!
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 12, 2004 at 5:17 AM
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Right ON!
Everyone seems to forget that we were attacked in an insane way and 3000+ innocent people died. All America has ever done is stand for freedom and to liberate the oppressed. Arabs, muslimes are terrorists' and they live on hatred. I won't name names, but I know that many of them are on blogit. It is no wonder why they hate Bush and want Kerry. Because Kerry is weak and will give America's soverignty away in heartbeat.
Bush is doing what his job calls for. Clinton did not. Terrorism increased during his 8 years of ineptitude. Also, all the corporate corruption happened during Clinton's last term and he ignored it and left it for Bush to deal with, which he's done and is doing and will continue to do when he gets reelected. Bush fixed the Clintoon recession just like Reagan fixed Carter's. Democraps hate those facts!
Right now the unemployment rate is 5.4%. That is half what Europe's rate is and is lower than when Clinton was president in the late 1990's. Democraps whine about jobs because nobody wants to hire those fools!
Everything that has gone wrong with America can be traced to democrats and their stupid policies. The Carter years were absolutely terrible and that is when all this terrorism stuff started happening. The fool couldn't deal with it and many died. Carter to this day shows himself to be a fools fool by supporting Kerry, the biggest fool of all.
The next democrat president will be the end of freedom in America, and the world will be screwed. If those who can't compete (mainly liberals) think it's tough now, just wait. They haven't seen nothin' yet! Thank God for president George W. Bush!
Imagine the world without America. It would still be back in the dark ages. Maybe that's where all those losers still want to be.
posted by
DEMSareEVIL
on September 11, 2004 at 3:02 PM
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I agree
we are free to express our views and opinions but for those of us that Must lay blame it should be placed in the proper place once all sources have been evaluated.
posted by
StrickGold
on September 9, 2004 at 1:49 PM
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No, I won't lay off because Democracy is supposed to mean we are all free to express our views and share our knowledge, no matter whose doorstep the trails of truth lead to. For myself, I see the greed factor as the single biggest motivation behind all wars and the gross injustices and atrocities struck continously against the majority- worldwide. Many doorsteps are littered with blame in my opinion, including Bush & Company's, Inc. ....huge, tumbling towers of deceit, scam and horrors there.
posted by
Katray2
on September 9, 2004 at 7:56 AM
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Simply Put Mia
As far as the ^$^$^$^%#%#^^comments made by one of my habitual critics not to mention names but this %#%#^@$%^%!# fails to see the following:
Bush did not originate the foreign policies, they have been established long before he was a thought.
If Bush had not had prior experience in the oil business this would not even be an issue, it is just another item that some %^^$&@^&&@#$ seem to use as an negative characteristic.
As Americans yes we may be responsible for 9/11 because we did not bomb the %T#^# out of them first.
So you say Bush is nothing more than a murderer!! What %^#%#^#$^ planet do you live on. Bush hasn't held a gun to anyone's head, nor has he held one single human life as hostage, nor has he ever taken one single life for granted.
posted by
StrickGold
on September 8, 2004 at 1:45 PM
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DL
In what freakin' "context" can be radicals hijacking airplanes, then flying them into buildings, thereby killing thousands of unarmed civilians NOT be the fault of the radicals?
If 9/11 is an "atrocity," then Abu Ghraib is not. They don't compare. Are you saying 9/11 wasn't an atrocity?
As far as the Saudi royal family-Bush thing: Not everything in the movies is true, and while conspiracy theories are fun and sexier than the truth, far fewer actually exist than you might think.
posted by
heel
on September 8, 2004 at 12:49 PM
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heel...
...we meet again!
When you say "Terrorists, and terrorists alone, were responsible for 9/11" you are falling into the same trap as your so-called leaders. The statement is, as far as we know, correct, but you can't just pull that fact out of context. And, no matter how hard you try to believe it away, the context is as I laid out below.
Abu Ghraib was an atrocity. So was 9/11. Either you're mincing words, or you think that American lives and dignity is more important, more valued than Iraqi lives and dignity.
You say to Scoop "Had a murdering dictator of Indonesia been paying $25,000 to the families of those volunteering to Kamikaze their planes into Pearl Harbor, might we have had something to say to him?" May I answer here? What about if an unelected US President had arranged for 20+ members of the bin Laden family to be flown out of the US, back to Saudi, on September 13 2001, might you have something to say to him? And if so, why aren't you saying it??
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 8, 2004 at 9:31 AM
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MiaElla...
..it's a phoney war!
You can't wage a war on terror - terror is an emotion!
You can't wage a war on terrorism - terrorism is a tactic!
You can't illegally invade a country significantly weaker than you and then claim you're at war! You're just invaders, who have understandably pissed off the locals.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 8, 2004 at 9:26 AM
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The divison between liberals and conservatives is what is sad.
1. The President is not God - he will make errors
2. Until this counrty is at peace with itself & its policies - there will always be war
3. Who changes a President in the middle of a war? Doesn't that constitute weakness?
4. Those who are fighting in this war believe in freedom. They are not dying for nothing - they are heroes. The enemy is those with no fight in them. This is not heaven, without war there can be no peace.
posted by
MiaElla
on September 8, 2004 at 9:21 AM
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Does 'Liberal' mean 'blind, deaf AND dumb?'
DL - Terrorists, and terrorists alone, were responsible for 9/11 -- DIRECTLY. It is the truth no matter how hard you try to believe it away.
Abu Ghraib was NOT an "atrocity." A shame, yes. A crime, Yes. Indefensible? Yes. But it was not an atrocity, and 9/11 certainly was. Don't try to compare the two, even indirectly.
Scoop - Had a murdering dictator of Indonesia been paying $25,000 to the families of those volunteering to Kamikaze their planes into Pearl Harbor, might we have had something to say to him?
LadyShalott - You wrote: "That is where Bush is a murderer. All the mess that was brought down on the U.S. was the fault of this country."
I can't even comment on that, it's so sad.
posted by
heel
on September 8, 2004 at 9:03 AM
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Today the news reported the death toll in Iraq at 1003. You know how many died in the actual war? 138. These boys and girls are dying for absolutly NO reason. That is where Bush is a murderer. All the mess that was brought down on the U.S. was the fault of this country. It's terrible these kids are fighting for nothing.
posted by
ladyofshalott
on September 8, 2004 at 8:21 AM
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Ah...
...he beat me to it!
Well said, Scoop. I thought about that route, too. As someone said recently, invading Iraq after 9/11 was like if the US had invaded Indonesia after Pearl Harbour.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 8, 2004 at 8:08 AM
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I Meant to Add...
...that I agree with Scoops tag-line, after all is said and done - "Support the Troops, NOT the Policy"
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 8, 2004 at 8:04 AM
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So StrickGold if you can’t blame Bush
for the war in Iraq, who can you blame?
You ask;
Did Bush send planes into the WTC?
NO, and either did Iraq. Bush and his administration have admitted and the 9/11 commission confirmed, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11
Did Bush crash a plane into the Pentagon?
NO, and either did Iraq.
Did Bush terrorize children in Russia?
NO, and either did Iraq.
Again no plan going in, no plan to get out, he says one day "we can’t win the war on terror".
How do you think that played with the troops in Iraq?
So the next day he does a Kerry flip and says "We can win the war on terror."
My son was in the Middle East with the Army as a combat engineer, and came back in March. I am proud of him.
I will always SUPPORT THE TROOPS,………BUT I never will support the policy.
posted by
scoop
on September 8, 2004 at 8:00 AM
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I Can Understand...
...the passion behind this post, but I still think you're wrong.
You ask...
Did Bush send planes into the WTC?
Did Bush crash a plane into the Pentagon?
Did Bush terrorize children in Russia?
Has Bush made anyone be a suicide bomber?
And the answer to each one is Yes - indirectly.
America - and therefore Bush who is, allegedly, the current 'leader' - has created all of these things by its foreign policy actions over the last 50 years. This is what Americans seem so reluctant to see.
America has bombed TWENTY SEVEN countries since 1945.
America is the ONLY country ever to have used nuclear weapons against civilian populations.
America supports Israel, funds Israel and arms Israel against the Arab world (despite the fact that Israel has broken 63 UN resolutions, where Iraq broke only 12).
America commits attrocities, from Mai Lay (sp?) to Abu Ghraib.
America covertly trains, funds and arms some of the nastiest people around, including Saddam, including the IRA, including Osama.
This is just a small sliver of the wrongs that America has committed against other peoples of the world. Originally it was to protect freedom, and at one time, I may have accepted that. But now its very definitely to protect oil supplies for Big Oil, to extend markets for Wall Street, and to exert inappropriate control over as much of the world as possible. You could call it empire-building.
(If you don't believe me, go check out the Project for a New American Century - pnac.org, if memory serves. Read their mission statements. See the signatories. You'll find it most enlightening).
In the light of all that, how could you ever have expected to have remained safe and cosy forever? If the schoolyard bully goes around bloodying noses for years on end, it's a sure thing the bully will get a bloody nose from someone, eventually. Why do you think it would be any different?
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on September 8, 2004 at 8:00 AM
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I am in aggrement with you! This is a great Post. I was Civil service for a long time my fmaily was in the Military most of my life. God be with our troops!
posted by
Melodystar
on September 8, 2004 at 7:30 AM
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Thank you for your post
It used to be that the liberties we enjoy were once merely taken for granted. Now we are supposed to feel guilty over them, too?
posted by
heel
on September 8, 2004 at 7:25 AM
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Yes,
Our country was brutally attacked, and Bush made the decision to defend us. Although I am a pacifist, I see him as a good man who acts according to a pure conscience.
posted by
TARZANA
on September 8, 2004 at 7:06 AM
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