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Aba and GM

I have experienced what may be termed an NDE (Near Death Experience), and am also famiar with the concept of auras. There has been interesting work done as described in a book I read years ago, in what was called Kirlian Photography, where "auras" were said and shown to be photographed. Must be quite dated now. 

posted by RPresta on June 22, 2017 at 11:54 AM | link to this | reply

So you know about auras

Wouldn't it be wonderful,  if everyone could see the aura of everyone around them.  It would improve relations between most people,  helping them to understand their conflicts with others,  and helping us to find compatible friends.  Seeing a dim or darkened aura would make it almost impossible for evil predators to hide their true nature and lie to us.  We would know they are evil,  just by looking at them! 

posted by GoldenMean on June 22, 2017 at 10:45 AM | link to this | reply

GM

And I acknowledge and reciprocate your graciousness in equal measure, thank you.

posted by anibanerjee on June 21, 2017 at 6:11 PM | link to this | reply

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Thank you friend GM. I quite understand you and your expose on Love. Yes, aura, the halo I am familiar with, something that you see at the back of the heads of almost all Hindu gods emanated as light rays. One can be easily read by those that can see this aura. It is said that all of us do have this but are not seen. They are distinct in that the general characteristics of personp, good, bad and the ugly are all given away. Chakras are the powers a person may develop through certain types of mortifications, there are seven of them, mooladhaar, swadhistan, manipura, anahata, vishuddha, agya and sahasrar. if you so desire one day I may give a blog on them. (It isnot something in our bodies), but very significant stages. 

posted by anibanerjee on June 21, 2017 at 5:44 PM | link to this | reply

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My dear blogging friend Anib,  I think we are having a delightful discussion,  and will continue to do so.  As to my theory about love,  that is all it is to me at this time,  not really approaching faith yet. 

I was actually wondering if you had heard of these "aura's" that some people can see or sense,  glowing around other people?  These remind me of chakra's,  something I know almost nothing about,  which are central to Hinduism,  I think.  But I have heard descriptions of a chakra having different colors,  so they might be related to the aura.

Thanks for your graciousness..... Cheers

posted by GoldenMean on June 21, 2017 at 8:36 AM | link to this | reply

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No question of cluttering at all. I am happy that after a string of doubtful faith, or should it be faithful doubt, I feel the latter is nearer truth, we have been able to come to an overall conclusion, barring some minor differences which is natura and should be there. It has been a happy exercise for me too. Earlier, when differences arose years back, I promised myself that I will no more try to force my viewpoint, actually there was no question of forcing but I was misunderstood. One said that I read your posts but don't comment because you shatter our faith. I said if my saying something shatter your beliefs, then how much worth do you give to your faith. From then on until today I thought it better not to provoke, but now I feel that genuinity in you, Presta, Kabu, Shamasehar. So, individually and collectively my thanks to all you greats. Cheers 

posted by anibanerjee on June 21, 2017 at 7:16 AM | link to this | reply

The Question of Love

Consider this theory,  if you will,  Anibanerjee.  Love is all-encompassing,  yes,  because God loves his creaton,  the universe.  Therefore he is always producing love in his mind and projecting it upon the universe,  as an actual energy,  like the sun projecting light and electro-magnetic radiation in all directions.  We can only see and measure some of the radiations of the sun,  and in bodily form,  we cannot see or measure the active radiations of God,  but they are being constantly produced,  nevertheless.  One indicator of this is the aura,  as I will mention below.  

Some people who have near-death experiences and report them,  say that they are attracted to an intense light,  and it feels like love.  They can choose to either go toward the light,  which is intended,  or they can go in another direction.  What is this light?  It is energy of some kind,  that we cannot see or measure while in the body.  And that light or energy is being produced by a 'doer',  or a multitude of  'doers'  in harmony.  And for the purpose of the newly dead,  those just separated from their bodies,  it seems to be directional. 

But to us who are receptive,  while in the body,  love seems to be everywhere,  just  "there",  but no,  it is being actively produced by a supreme being.  Not all people are receiving the 'transmission' of love.  In fact,  most are not recieving it.  They are choosing to ignore it or reject it,  because it does not suit their immoral choices.  Or,  like the sociopath and psychopath,  they soak up all the love that they can,  use it for selfish purposes,  and produce no love in return.

Likewise,  because we are made  in the image of God,  we can produce our own love and project it toward others.  This manifests in kindly acts of service and care,  but it is motivated by the metaphysical energy of love,  which does not exist without being produced by a sentient being.  This is our most important  'doing'.  And others can either receive the energy and the acts of our love,  or reject it.  They can instead project the energy of hatred,  anger,  and attack us.

These energies that our souls are producing  (the soul being the ultimate 'doer') are visible to some as an  "aura"  of colored energy emanating from our bodies.  I am sure you have heard of this.  I don't think that they are seeing the aura with their physical eyes. 

I have read books or articles written by or about people who can see the auras.  The different colors of the aura are a huge indicator of the personality  (or moral orientation)  of the person.  If their aura is darkened,  watch out!!.....  because that person is a predator,  motivated by hate and anger and great selfishness,  and not receptive to the love that we project to them.  

This is in addition to other things I have written about love,  but this is the first time I have related it to the question of a 'doer'.  I am sorry that this theory does not agree with your scenario,  or the scenario of Hinduism / Buddhism in general.  I need to put this all together in a post someday.  I should not be cluttering your post with it.......    Cheers

posted by GoldenMean on June 21, 2017 at 3:15 AM | link to this | reply

Anib

I am having a hard time 'doing away' with the 'doer',  LOL.  It seems to me that the soul is the actual doer,  in an image of God,  just as God is the ultimate doer and mover and shaker of the universe.  As for love,  I think that we do produce love as souls,  and project it as some sort of energy upon others,  just as God produces it and projects it upon us.  Perhaps this is just a difference between Eastern and Western thinking.  Anyway,  I am having a good time here,  and I thank you for it!

posted by GoldenMean on June 20, 2017 at 4:14 PM | link to this | reply

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Thank you GM. 'A deep one, and full of pitfalls'. My flirting will culminate in marriage, never in avoidance. Firstly, Buddhism does not believe in utter dissolution of the soul, or Atma, it believes not in the soul but in the Supersoul (Paramatma), of which all individual souls are fragments. In other words the drop (collectively) is the ocean, and the ocean is individually collective drops. Even better the drop becoming the sea and the sea becoming the drop, are, seen deeply, one and the same. Only two people  in the world, Mahavira and Buddha, rose from man to the level of God, or godliness if you prefer; they were the isolated ascendants, all others, descendants. Son of God (Christianity), messenger of God (Islam), or Avataars (in Hinduism), derived from avataran, which means 'descent'. Secondly, Nirvana is extinguishing of the flame in the sense of no more cycle of rebirths, individual flame becoming one with the Supreme (Flame), the word for it in Hinduism is Moksha, meaning in Hindi, Moha-ka-kshaya, end of desire! and desire is like flame, a fever. So, Nirvana and Moksha are one and the same. Just as the Hindus call Poorna, Absolute, the Buddhist call it Shoonya, or ZERO. I prefer the Buddhist word, because you can conceive of Poorna, Complete, it has, as if, dimensions. Shoonya or Nothingness, one cannot conceive of any boundaries in it! and the dimension, therefore, becomes infinite! the general conveyance of  word-meanings remaining same or similar. One cannot identify as one lesser or bigger, than the other.  If bonfires meet, it is good, the light becomes brighter without the crowding in of flames (lights) which, ironically, do not occupy any space, like any other physical things.

There again, is no contention in removing the doer. Let me clarify ... when two people are deeply in love, either of them would say, 'I am in Love', sounds so meaningful signifying the supremacy of Love and not the lovers, individually. Lovers are engulfed in love. Are lovers the 'doers' of love. How ridiculous it appears! That is why the term 'making love' in English is stupid. Can love be made? Isn't it all-encompassing? Then how is love 'made', I wonder! 

The 'doer' is removed, when the ego is annihilated. Acts of altruism is its biggest evidence. Christianity stresses on Servive as prime duty. Why, because they believe that service to man is service to God. You are serving God through man. It also becomes a self-effacing process. And when there is unmotivated service, do you do it with a sense of ego. No, you do it with a feeling of thankfulness. You do it with a feeling of compassion, not passion. In passion there is nothing else other than  motives of the self, while in compassion there is everything else but the self. Do you think the concept of the doer is necessary? Why, it can definitely be done away with. Tomorrow in my post i will give more examples. Cheers 

posted by anibanerjee on June 20, 2017 at 8:10 AM | link to this | reply

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:)

posted by anibanerjee on June 20, 2017 at 7:04 AM | link to this | reply

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Thanks:)

posted by shamasehar on June 20, 2017 at 6:30 AM | link to this | reply

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Aapka hukum sar aankhon par. Zaroor. 

posted by anibanerjee on June 20, 2017 at 6:16 AM | link to this | reply

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Kisi din aap Ramakrishna Paramahansa ji par bhi apne iss blog mein kuch likhen... would love to read your perspective..

posted by shamasehar on June 20, 2017 at 5:50 AM | link to this | reply

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Mujhe bhi achcha laga, who toh hain hi sabke param isht, sabke dil jeetne wale. Mere bhi ... 

posted by anibanerjee on June 20, 2017 at 5:41 AM | link to this | reply

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Wah!Wah!!aapne dil jeet lene wali baat kar de...aur example bhi mere param isht Ramakrishna Paramahansa ji Ka diya...

posted by shamasehar on June 20, 2017 at 5:25 AM | link to this | reply

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i perfectly understand you meant the language of Love, which is higher than the language of Knowledge. And did not Sri Ramakrishna say the Gyani has no entry beyond the bounds of the drawing or sitting room. He has to wait for the master to come. But when a Bhakta arrives, he is like the beloved, gaining straight entry into the bedroom. 

posted by anibanerjee on June 20, 2017 at 5:13 AM | link to this | reply

Sir,mere kehne ka matlab sirf itna tha ki main Prem ki bhasha jaldi samajh jati hoon...

posted by shamasehar on June 20, 2017 at 4:22 AM | link to this | reply

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:)

posted by shamasehar on June 20, 2017 at 4:16 AM | link to this | reply

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Gyan ki zaroorat agyanion ko hi padti hai, isliye loot rahein hain jo bhi thoda kuch. Waise apka gyan shaayarion ka, adbhut aur wakai shaandaar hai. Thank you and I am glad I could make it interesting! I enjoy doing these. 

posted by anibanerjee on June 20, 2017 at 3:51 AM | link to this | reply

Main Gyan ki baatien kam samajhte hoon....but you have made it so interesting to read.aye mere yaar aye husn wale,dil kiya maine tere hwale..teri marzi pe ab baat thre,jeene de ya tu mar dale...

posted by shamasehar on June 20, 2017 at 2:54 AM | link to this | reply

Anib

This is an exceptional post,  even for you,  and a deep one,  full of pitfalls.  I am ever wary of extremes,  and you are flirting with extremes here,  but perhaps avoiding them.  Running up the the edge of the cliff,  but dodgng aside at the last moment,  as it were.  

I see the deep link to Hinduism / Buddhism here,  with your cautions against being the 'doer'.  This is, perhaps,  more Buddhist than Hindu?.....  I am not sure.  From what I have read,  Hinduism believes in distinct individual souls,  while Buddhism believes in the utter dissolution of the soul,  which is an illusion that keeps one from uniting with Nirvana,  which is literally "the extinguishing of the flame".  

I don't like the idea of extinguishing my flame.  I think that my tiny flame can be maintained,  and combined with other tiny flames,  to surge into a bonfire of energy,  to accomplish greater good than I could alone.  If my tiny flame were extinguished,  then the bonfire would be diminished,  and less good could be accomplished.  So I have always leaned more toward Hinduism,  and away from Buddhism,  although Buddhism has much wisdom in it. 

Let us realize that you and I are in great agreement,  and are dealing in very fine points here,  which most people will not understand,  and not even be interested in,  because they have not put forth the effort of study,  that you and I have done.  But perhaps they can listen and learn,  if their ego does not prevent them from doing so.  There is a tendency in most people to think that if a thought did not originate in their own mind,  then it is false,  and it is to be ignored or challenged,  or viciously attacked,  which is happening every day in the news.

I am a bit confused by your post,  and here is the fine point of contention.  Your main point is for people to stop thinking of themselves as  'doers',  to just flow with events,  and let events happen to them,  and not really cause anything to happen.  But Arjuna is in such a state of non-doing,  and Krishna is trying to get him out of it.  You call this a state of communion,  something desirable.  But if Krishna is successful in this communion,  getting Arjuna to act,  Arjuna will kill many people in the next battle of this war,  and Arjuna will be a  'doer'  in the most extreme way.   I don't see how a warrior can fight and kill many enemies,  after having been persuaded by God,  and still be said to not be 'doing' anything....... and herein is the conflict between Hinduism and Buddhism,  perhaps......  

In your post,  you wrote:  "Duties, responsibilities, are not to be shunned.  Once the 'doer' is removed from one’s consciousness, one becomes free from the bondage of actions."

To me,  the two sentences seem to be contradictory.  I agree that duties and responsiblities are not to be shunned.  They are like contracts,  heavy burdens that must be carried,  obligations that must be fullfilled.  These duties and responsibilities ARE a type of bondage,  that require us to perform many specific actions.  How,  then,  can we become free from the bondage of actions,  by removing the concept of the 'doer'?  I think that the concept of 'doer'  is necessary,  that we must be able to do things,  to make things happen,  in order to fulfill our duties and responsibilities.  It is a necessary bondage,  I would think.   

posted by GoldenMean on June 20, 2017 at 12:17 AM | link to this | reply

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I am honoured to be so applauded by my loving big Sister. Thank you, I feel elated and Sis, do take very good care of your painful affliction.❣👌😣

posted by anibanerjee on June 19, 2017 at 11:01 PM | link to this | reply

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First, I must thank you for this extrodinary post. Outstanding, and one I will re-read. it makes sense, and how you patiently explain to we of the Western mindset, is to be  commended. I am dumbfounded. Beautifully told. Kudos, brother and guru.

posted by RPresta on June 19, 2017 at 10:44 PM | link to this | reply

A a eithe

posted by RPresta on June 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM | link to this | reply

Aba bro

Will catch up later. Am down for the count with my back, l'il bro.

posted by RPresta on June 19, 2017 at 5:52 PM | link to this | reply

Yes it is precise reading because you are so word perfect Abba. This is almost like the fables of old. Of course they were much simpler because not many could read.

posted by C_C_T on June 19, 2017 at 11:48 AM | link to this | reply

It is interesting reading about Christianity in India. I believe it was the Jesuits who helped start the spread. I had a college professor, a Jesuit, from India. What fascinated me most was that even though he was Catholic, he said the Caste System still had an effect on his life.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on June 19, 2017 at 9:22 AM | link to this | reply

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