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Of course,  their are many progressives and Muslims who enjoy Christmas in general,  or in the privacy of their own homes.  Perhaps even a majority.  But you would have to be living under a rock,  to not be aware of the many attacks on many public displays of Christmas,  in the last 10 years or more. 

Sadly,  I don't have time to research the liberal bias against public displays of Christmas  (lights,  crosses,  nativity scenes, etc).  Instead of research,  here is a homework assignment for us all.  Just watch the news regularly,  from different sources,  not just from one or two sources that you agree with.  This Christmas season,  let us see if my prediction below comes true or not:.  "But in this case,  liberals and Muslims have a common cause  (against Christmas displays),  and sadly,  I think we will see more of these types of stories." 

Also,  when you go to stores or offices (government, utility, doctor, dentist, etc),  keep count of how many times you are greeted with "Happy Holidays"  instead of  "Merry Christmas".  Then we can rejoin this discussion after Christmas.

Merry Christmas,  in advance!  (that doesn't count,  because this is not a store or office).  Cheers

posted by GoldenMean on November 3, 2016 at 4:49 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Katray

And I stand by my proof, GoldenMean. Show me actual links to articles that are factual, not just opinion and hearsay. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I was taught that responsible adults back up their views with fact and truth when those views are derogatory/ potentially harmful to others. That is the mark of good journalism.
Wow, generalize and lump together much? In case you did not know, there are progressive folks who heartily love Christmas and everything it means. And there are Muslims who enjoy the celebrations, gift giving and overall good vibes of the holidays.

posted by Katray2 on November 2, 2016 at 9:02 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Katray

And I stand by my proof, GoldenMean. Show me actual links to articles that are factual, not just opinion and hearsay. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I was taught that responsible adults back up their views with fact and truth when those views are derogatory/ potentially harmful to others. That is the mark of good journalism.
Wow, generalize and lump together much?

In case you did not know, there are progressive folks who heartily love Christmas and everything it means. And there are Muslims who enjoy the celebrations, gift giving and overall good vibes of the holidays.

posted by Katray2 on November 2, 2016 at 9:00 PM | link to this | reply

Katray

I saw a report on TV, can't remember where, that the reporter suspected that Snopes.com had a liberal bias.  That is a philosophical bias,  not necessarily political,  and it is very difficult to prove,  if the person(s) under suspicion do not admit it,  but instead pretend to be objective.  I myself do not know,  but I have come to suspect that every reporter these days is no longer objective or impartial,  but has a bias one way or the other.  So I stand by my recommendation that I would not rely only on them.

As for the Swedish officials' excuse for not allowing Christmas lights on the utility poles,  I had already read that quote,  and it is still highly suspect.  We all know that the stated reasons people give for their actions are rarely the real or complete reason.  It doesn't make any sense for this issue to become important in Sweden all of a sudden,  without unstated reasons being involved.  How would "others" be able to "take electricity" from the utility poles?  Utility poles do not have a convenient outlet,  to plug Christmas lights into.  As for the extra weight of Christmas lights,  they are not heavy,  and utility poles are over-designed to withstand high winds and storms.  This excuse is laughable. 

So,  it is simply not reasonable for these stated reasons to be the whole story.  Now, there IS a liberal assault on Christmas,  has been for many years,  without even bringing Muslims into the picture.  Governments in many places are separating themselves from Christmas,  or suddenly withdrawing their support for Christmas activities,  or even opposing Christmas activities on private property,  such as churches and peoples' front yards.  I think it is likely that this is the REAL reason for the Swedish official actions.  I did not anywhere say or imply that they were "banning Christmas".  But I do think that pressure is being applied against public Christmas activities,  by liberal progressive officials everywhere.  Some of them are honest about it,  and some are not.  Likewise,  some Muslims are honest about it,  and some are not.

But in this case,  liberals and Muslims have a common cause  (against Christmas displays),  and sadly,  I think we will see more of these types of stories.

posted by GoldenMean on November 2, 2016 at 3:33 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Snopes,...nope

GoldenMean, BOTH of your statements are provably wrong:

Anyone who has spent even a few minutes browsing Snopes.com knows that the website is owned by two people, not one, husband and wife David and Barbara Mikkelson of southern California. This is stated on the website and has been common knowledge since the website's inception.
Second, the charge of partisanship is laid without evidence. At no time have the Mikkelsons publicly stated a political preference or affiliation, or expressed support for any particular party or candidate.
Moreover, Barbara Mikkelson is a Canadian citizen, and as such cannot vote in U.S. elections or contribute to political campaigns. In a statement provided to FactCheck.org, David Mikkelson said his "sole involvement in politics" is voting on election day. In 2000 he registered as a Republican, documents provided to FactCheck.org show, and in 2008 Mikkelson didn't declare a party affiliation at all. Says Mikkelson: "I've never joined a party, worked for a campaign, or donated money to a candidate" (source: FactCheck.org).
Anyone who claims proof to the contrary needs to come out with it.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm
 
According to SVC, Christmas lights will be banned from being placed on public utility poles this year in Sweden. In years past, many small municipalities, in particular, have used the poles to hang their seasonal decorations. But Trafikverket – the Swedish Transport Administration – has taken over management of those poles along major transit routes recently and has begun a review of the pole network.
What they found was that, for several different legal reasons (all of which already existed in Swedish law) they could not continue to allow the poles to be used to hang lights. Elin Isaksson, the National Coordinator of Traffic Control at Trafikverket, cited safety as the overwhelming reason, but also noted that the public electric laws also prohibit the displays.
“We’re looking at this because we do not have the right to allow others to take electricity from our facility, according to the electricity law. Additionally, the poles are not designed for the weight of Christmas lights, and we have to remove anything from the poles that should not be there. We guarantee safety first.”
 
So. Is Sweden banning Christmas lights? No. Do the bans that are going into effect have anything to do with Muslim immigrants? No. Is anyone actually in Sweden claiming that they are? Still no.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3648019/fact-check-did-sweden-just-ban-christmas-lights-to-appease-muslim-immigrants/#EMjxcZ6QBm4BXqZX.99
 
 

posted by Katray2 on November 2, 2016 at 7:46 AM | link to this | reply

Snopes,...nope

It has been reported that Snopes.com and the other leading "fact-checkers" have a liberal bias.  I would not rely completely on them.  In the case of Sweden's Christmas lights,  the government's position that the light poles were not designed for the weight of Christmas lights is highly suspect, if not outright absurd.  Why are they just now becoming concerned about that?  There was no mention of any light poles falling down under the crushing weight of Christmas lights,  LOL.  Give me a break!

posted by GoldenMean on November 1, 2016 at 11:04 AM | link to this | reply

All this stuff from both sides of the track really do make my head hurt (not a figure of speech).

posted by TAPS. on October 31, 2016 at 9:20 PM | link to this | reply

Katray2

I appreciate all sides points of view, dear Katray2. 

posted by RPresta on October 31, 2016 at 8:55 PM | link to this | reply

I don't believe much of anything put out by mainstream media which is bought and paid for by the corporation with the deepest pockets

posted by Annicita on October 31, 2016 at 10:22 AM | link to this | reply

I find that if I just go ahead and wish everyone a Merry Christmas no one has ever questioned me here or in Australia. The fear mongering can only increase if we give into it.

I was surprised to see that 1st Nation  Costumes are offensive ...I would be proud to wear something so lovely; although as a girl in Primary school I suppose we always had to be "the Indians" because they always got killed.

posted by Kabu on October 31, 2016 at 10:00 AM | link to this | reply

Overall, I feel that the War on Christmas that seems to be a discussion topic every year is overblown.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on October 31, 2016 at 9:39 AM | link to this | reply

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