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Re: FormerStudentIntern.

It was because he ran in the primaries with the Democrats that he had no chance against the DNC machine that had already chosen Hillary.  Independent voters were cut out of all the closed primaries, so didn't have any voice there. Election fraud in several states limited the Independent voices there. This is why we need that Independent Party, to give our voices and choices some real impact.


posted by Ciel on October 14, 2016 at 9:31 AM | link to this | reply

Re: CCT,

When I visited, it was during your election season, and I was amazed by the many Parties on the ticket. So many options means the vote for any but the strongest Parties is so diluted, all those votes could have made a difference if they'd had to go for one of the two or three Parties on top. 

posted by Ciel on October 14, 2016 at 9:27 AM | link to this | reply

Re: pendorin,

Bernie accomplished what we most needed him to do: he woke us up and reminded us who works for whom, who is responsible for choosing our representatives. He continues to work towards social justice and the interests of the majority of American people. Whether he will be on the ballot next time is not as important as our finding and empowering candidates who share our values and interests. 

The R and D Parties have forgotten that it is about the Nation, not about the Party. Bernie didn't lose because of rumors of his health or the fact of his age. He lost the nomination because he wasn't who the Party wanted. I do believe that election fraud in the primaries and caucauses seriously affected the outcomes in several states, but our system doesn't allow for rectification of fraudulent results. 

posted by Ciel on October 14, 2016 at 9:24 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: TAPS,

I like the way you think. 

posted by TAPS. on October 14, 2016 at 9:20 AM | link to this | reply


As long as you vote for the rest of the ticket with some consideration for sanity and balance, your voting won't be wasted. Right now, I am looking at the Colorado candidates for Congress not in terms of Party, but what individuals have demonstrated of willingness to reach across aisles, to compromise, to cooperate, to keep government doing its job. 

posted by Ciel on October 14, 2016 at 9:15 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Kabu,

I imagine that 'absorbed' Parties bring some element of their basic purposes with them... but maybe they are lured in with that expectation, and like the public, end up disappointed as their energies are diluted and transformed into the major Party's usual muck. 

posted by Ciel on October 14, 2016 at 9:11 AM | link to this | reply

Very good info.

posted by TAPS. on October 13, 2016 at 10:46 PM | link to this | reply

What is interesting about Sanders is that even as an independent, he had to run with a political party to get noticed.

Now the Democrats do nominate him when he runs for office in Vermont, but he never accepts it.

It is very fascinating to see.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on October 13, 2016 at 10:41 AM | link to this | reply

Surprising how things change though Ciel. Of course there needs to be a strong third party. On a voting slip I have received there are about twelve different. I think some just stand to see how many votes they can win.  

posted by C_C_T on October 12, 2016 at 10:51 AM | link to this | reply

I agree the candidates need to be pushed forward in the interest of the people and not future fattening their political pockets as most seemingly do once elected into these powerful offices that I might add...We the people vote them in. Once these politicians are in, we need to make sure to hold them accountable in pursuing our many needs; and we start by, continuing to pay attention to what's going on once their in Congress and/or living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington D.C.

My vote was entirely for Bernie Sanders; perhaps, if so many comedians hadn't put the spotlight and enforces making jokes about Bernie Sanders health...that hasn't stopped him for working tirelessly in Congress, but focused on his strong policies, other than free college for students, than perhaps he'd be that Independent Candidate still on the ballet giving Us a viable alternative who has remain one of the hardest working and longest serving Independent member in all of Congress in American history! Read his biography...

posted by pendorin on October 12, 2016 at 10:09 AM | link to this | reply

Interesting post.  This is the first time I can remember that I have considered voting for a third party candidate, even though, barring some miraculous thing, one would just be wasting a vote.

posted by TAPS. on October 12, 2016 at 9:54 AM | link to this | reply

Australia has had three parties at times, they usually disappear or become absorbed into one of the major parties eventually. At present the Greens have the balance of power in the Senate which isn't a bad thing. One always has to remember that they are all, always politicians and I am jaded enough to believe that if promised enough power will " come back home' to a major party eventually.

posted by Kabu on October 12, 2016 at 8:26 AM | link to this | reply

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