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Re: Katray,

Sometimes, like now, we have to take a step back and around in order to keep on track. Change is coming, and grass roots are growing, and I believe there will be a new Party out of it, by the next election.  I don't believe voting for Jill Stein is a step anything but off the track, and if you live in a 'battleground' state, it is a vote that helps Trump. 

Voting for Hillary is the likeliest way to defeat Trump, and the only way to keep Bernie's grass roots growing and thriving. If your ideal is his Revolution, then voting Hillary is only a diversion of some of our interests for the time being, that prepares the ground for a real win down the road.  And it is a vote against Trump. 

Jill Stein, even less supported than Ralph Nader was, cannot possibly win the Presidency, and this more than in any other election for generations, is what matters most: That Trump not win.

Let Hillary believe, let the DNC believe that she has earned the votes she'll get. They will pretend, no doubt, but we all know we didn't want Trump more than we wanted her. That a whole lot of us really wanted Bernie, after all, but settled for Not Trump. That we are biding our time until we get another crack at what we really want.

posted by Ciel on August 1, 2016 at 11:39 AM | link to this | reply

Wow, Ciel, you are very close to where I am politically...

surprising to me to find people who see through the Democrat party's deception too. I am lambasted in my family of liberals for really dragging my feet about not voting for the Queen..my argument is that the war for real change can never be won if we don't start fighting it. Early battles will not be won, that is a reality I accept but we gotta start somewhere, sometime. I'm tired of selling my soul to vote for the lesser evil - things just keep on getting worse when you only have, in actuallity, one party dedicated to do the bidding of the billionare, militaristic class.

So I very well may vote for Jill Stein; my state will allow a write-in of her name and I am volunteering online for her campaign. I'll admit to some hesitation about not voting for HRC at this point because I'm told if Trump wins that means Repub.'s will also win big everywhere else and that will mean Obamacare and probably any governmental assistance for healthcare will sooner rather than later be cut. I have family members and friends whose health needs would be unanswered and ignored again if that happened, so I'm torn..


posted by Katray2 on August 1, 2016 at 7:49 AM | link to this | reply

Re: CCT,

You have so bloody many Parties, it will be a while before the mathematics whittles them down to two.  I think we should have something similar here, but it does support minority rule: when the highest percentage of votes is well below 50% of the total number of votes cast. 


posted by Ciel on July 28, 2016 at 10:19 AM | link to this | reply

We used to have The Mad Raving Lunatic  Party. Sadly the leader died.

posted by C_C_T on July 28, 2016 at 10:05 AM | link to this | reply

Re: FormerStudentIntern.

I have recently seen explanations of why, mathematically, systems evolve into two parties without any plan for it. We actually need some new parties to make some of our usual parties into third parties that disappear in time.

posted by Ciel on July 28, 2016 at 9:41 AM | link to this | reply

Oh, yes, we are in dire need of a third party.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on July 28, 2016 at 7:36 AM | link to this | reply

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