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posted by Katray2 on March 25, 2012 at 5:51 PM | link to this | reply

I know we do not agree politically, but you showed me your heart today and I wanted to let you know how much your kind words meant to me. Thank you so much, it is nice to know the person inside, and inside you are pure gold. Thank you again.

posted by UtahJay on March 24, 2012 at 10:41 PM | link to this | reply

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I understand WileyFriend and appreciate your thoughts. Thank you..

posted by Katray2 on March 24, 2012 at 5:45 PM | link to this | reply

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You have a good heart, BrightIrish. Thank you...

posted by Katray2 on March 24, 2012 at 5:45 PM | link to this | reply

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Thought provoking comment, CCT. Thank you...

posted by Katray2 on March 24, 2012 at 5:44 PM | link to this | reply

Katray 2

I can only say it hurts me to see any Blogit friend hurting, and so I try and stay away from subjects that make me emotionally more crazy than I already am. When I was a drinkin' man I always tried to win discussions by being louder, being louder sometimes  got me beat up, and it took me a long time to keep my mouth shut until I quit drinking.

Some subjects still can unnerve me, so I tend to stay away from saying anything anymore about Muslims or Islam, because my emotional drunks mind takes over and all I can feel is the anger over my being thought of as an infidel. So I really am trying to keep away from some subjects like that over which I have no control and very little knowledge.

I hurt for both my friends, but mostly for you because I'm an old man from the old school where mother was always right even when she was wrong, and dad quietly respected that and saved his life.

posted by WileyJohn on March 23, 2012 at 8:08 PM | link to this | reply

 Flowers & Butterfly It's upsetting to see two people whom I've come to respect with their different opinions have been wounded by words.  Flowers 




posted by BrightIrish on March 23, 2012 at 4:17 PM | link to this | reply

Ray really we should tear everything to pieces,but this is not like a family where we speak out at times and shed our frustration. This is all held together by very slender relationships.if we were all on a desert island I expect we would band together in little groups. Here we are held together by a warmth which is not necessarily a bad thing. Speaking for myself if I see something I do not like or do not, or cannot get my mind around it, I try to evade an answer as I am doing now, but you see Ray as one gets older one becomes more artful and probably more dismayed by the conditions that evolve. One is not necessarily immune to the world's problems, but the passion that was once there has been gentled. So basically I think blogit is struggling along pulling its regulars who are waving balloons and throwing flowers, because everyone must know their own answer. For Ray only private.

posted by C_C_T on March 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM | link to this | reply

Excellent commentary, Ash! Thank you..

posted by Katray2 on March 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Discussion and disageement is healthy and as you say so long as it includes

Well stated, Thanks so very much, Kabu!

posted by Katray2 on March 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Katray2 - I don't miss the old days of Blogit either

Gome, years ago, I remember having to ask specifically for real critiques on some of my poetry and story ideas. A few bloggers did so and I recall really wincing about one that Ariala did, lol. But I feel it helped me tighten up and improve my poetry, so no complaints or annoyance/anger. I have had spirited political debates over the years with several people here and never felt like I couldn't handle it sanely and coherently.

posted by Katray2 on March 23, 2012 at 10:56 AM | link to this | reply

Any discussion / agreement / disagreement / dialogue, ...

especially among intellectuals, particularly self-proclaimed ones, can be civil so long as it is conducted with mutual respect, and without an attitude of superiority / "know it all" / presumptiousness / condescension / falsification / personlization.

I for one, do not miss one bit some of the visceral arguments that used to go on here, and am glad to see some of them leave, hopefully for good. On the other hand, I do truly miss discussions, within the above civil guidelines, of topics of human / universal interest..and you, Kat, are one of the ones perfectly capable of conducting / fascilitating some, albeit the past.

posted by ash_pradhan on March 23, 2012 at 10:12 AM | link to this | reply

Discussion and disageement is healthy and as you say so long as it includes

respect for another's stance and belief it is desirable. Only when it becomes personal with name calling and hurtful attacks, when the sources sited are themselves terribly biased is it no longer discussion; just ugly. I know that is never what you believe in. You are a person of peace and one who believes in the right of free speech, freedom and equal rights for all.  Just keep on being you.

posted by Kabu on March 23, 2012 at 9:46 AM | link to this | reply

Katray2 - I don't miss the old days of Blogit either

The atmosphere of Blogit may have changed over the years but one thing that has never changed is that it is first and foremost a mutual admiration society. A place where opinions, no matter how inane or based on false precepts, are more likely to have someone stop in and comment "nice post" than offer an articulate rebuttal. In the few instances where I have seen someone craft an intelligent counter argument to a posted opinion, the aftermath varies but so seldom begins an honest and open dialogue. More often than not the commentary immediately breaks down into hostile acrimony.

 

posted by gomedome on March 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM | link to this | reply

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You're welcome, FSI. What I was hoping readers would see - both sides! Thank you.

posted by Katray2 on March 23, 2012 at 8:33 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Katray - no box again! sigh...True, Amanda. Thumbs up and Thank you.

posted by Katray2 on March 23, 2012 at 8:32 AM | link to this | reply

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Well said and great advice, Sam! Nice to have your daughter back home but too bad about the boyfriend situation. Hope it all works out. Thank you.

posted by Katray2 on March 23, 2012 at 8:31 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Katray2 - there is no good answer to what is perceived as a fair comment

Good points, Gomedome. Many folks come here to relax and have fun and I understand/respect that wish. Others do offer strong opinions on issues and facts and in my opinion open up discussion that may or may not agree with their view. I can't say I miss the old days here of blogit wars; they often got too intense.

posted by Katray2 on March 23, 2012 at 8:27 AM | link to this | reply

Thank you for providing this article for us to read in order for us to see both sides.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on March 23, 2012 at 8:26 AM | link to this | reply

Katray

Disagreeing in a respectful way is essential. Our differences are what make us beautiful.  (I almost forgot this was a comment and posted your real name, LOL) Welcome Back!

posted by Amanda__ on March 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM | link to this | reply

I suspect it is in the way we disagree that riles folks! If I don't like something, I say so, but how I say is open to interpretation by the one I disagree with! And, of course it is not bad manners in my opinion!

Regarding your post I never want to be supressed for what I say or think to the point it becomes criminal! And those who are asking such a thing do not repect freedom of speech for me!

Just be who you are and carry on, it's the only way to go for me! And, I must tell you I just said the same thing to my daughter because she is moving home to go to school and her boyfriend is not doing well with the situation. [She is leaving the town he lives in and he has decided not to move.] My comment got interrupted with her phone call! sam 

posted by sam444 on March 23, 2012 at 7:49 AM | link to this | reply

Katray2 - there is no good answer to what is perceived as a fair comment

Human nature has us all taking a defensive position the minute our opinions are challenged. Some are simply incapable of processing anything that may be viewed as criticism and in fairness many people do not use this site for the back and forth exchange of opinions. I recently referred to this site as a "Senior's chat room", not as a derogatory statement but more so an observation as to how this site is being used today by many people. Any semblance of the old combative days has all but disappeared. There are also a handful of site members that do not understand the basic concept of freedom of speech, what it entails, what their responsibilities are as adults in regards that concept and the rights of others.

Amongst this eclectic mix of attitudes towards what would be considered a fair comment, the only guideline I am able to offer is to judge each and every site member individually in terms of what they are able to handle and process when it comes to an opinion differing from their own.

posted by gomedome on March 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM | link to this | reply

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