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Re: Re: Miriam, how are you doing? you're on my '2 do' list!
dsm, it's been an interesting ride.  I had cancelled my Blogit membership for a short time, but have now returned just to read, comment, to keep my finger on the pulse of things - frantic and sometimes uneven tho it may be.  I keep turning away when the discord becomes too thick, but there are so many here (including you) who have become so dear to me.  I'll never go away completely.

Your writing is a breath of fresh air.  I'm curiously piqued: what do you mean '2 do' list?

posted by myrrhage_ on May 26, 2010 at 7:25 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Miriam, how are you doing? you're on my '2 do' list!

posted by dsm_tchr on May 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM | link to this | reply

I was hoping someone would come in and say it just so.  Well done, Talion!

posted by myrrhage_ on May 26, 2010 at 5:44 AM | link to this | reply

Re: dsm_tchr
Talion, You win the Fickled Finger of Fate Award for today, my friend Talion!  I've not heard it stated so true and simply.  May I use this comment?

posted by dsm_tchr on May 26, 2010 at 4:17 AM | link to this | reply

dsm_tchr

The concept of being an "oppressed minority" isn't taught in a sterile classroom environment. It isn't read in books nor can it be outlined in a lesson plan. The idea of being an "oppressed minority" is learned in the muck of the real world and the ultimate teacher is personal experience. The lessons learned result from the dirty looks, the sneers, the nasty comments about "them" and "they," and countless other put-downs, slights, and slurs, whether blatant or implied. One hundred positive experiences quickly fade from memory, but one negative experience lasts a lifetime. Accumulate enough of these bad experiences (whether real or imagined) and a person earns a Ph.d in resentment. It's much easier to suggest something is wrong with "them" for feeling this way than it is to determine why.    

posted by Talion_ on May 25, 2010 at 11:54 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: dsm tchr
I lived in Tucson off and on when we weren't in Mexico, so this issue really is something I'm interested in.

posted by mariposa75 on May 25, 2010 at 7:25 PM | link to this | reply

I hope that this gets overturned ASAP.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on May 25, 2010 at 5:33 PM | link to this | reply

tch
This is far more complex than you are making it. Before we begin to clarify this let us look at the country Mexico: Why are their people coming to USA? We sent manufacturing jobs by the tons down there, why are they coming here? If I go there I have to go through all sorts of problems to be able to stay. If I am caught there as an illegal I will not be sent back to America but thrown into prison. There is so much about Mexico that is corrupt and yet the Mexicans and Mexican President comes here and tells us our problems. Get a grip, look into the mirrow. As far as Racism the reverse is true! First look individual case by case and be fair and reasonable and see how different this all would look. I for one am learning the real depth of raceism from the dark skined people, the lack of reason, the lack of truth, the lack of class, the high degree of destruction to neighborhoods, on and on no matter how much you give them.

posted by Justi on May 25, 2010 at 4:40 PM | link to this | reply

Re: I was watching a TV show last night from Australia on the plight of the
Kabu, it is obvious to us that in order to escape the endless repetition of violence against minorities, we must reflect on our own history.  I imagine my superiors were rather uncomfortable the day I went into a crosstown high school to cover for the English for minorities teacher, and spent 2 days telling and acting out the Civil War, the Immancipation of the slaves, the KKK, the lynchings.  Yes, it was a wonderful experience for the students who were new Americans -- and part of the lesson assigned me --  but I was never asked back.   Lol

posted by dsm_tchr on May 25, 2010 at 4:10 PM | link to this | reply

Re: dsm tchr
TIMMYTALES, RIGHT, ME TOO!

posted by dsm_tchr on May 25, 2010 at 4:05 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: dsm tchr
ioab, I'm posting your comment in a blog -- with your permission?

posted by dsm_tchr on May 25, 2010 at 4:04 PM | link to this | reply

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lustorlove, OK I'm going to post a tell-all and try to cover every angle.  TY!

posted by dsm_tchr on May 25, 2010 at 4:02 PM | link to this | reply

I agree with lustorlove's statement.  I think most of what I've heard has seemed outrageous, but I am thousands of miles away and have no idea of the true context of events happening there.

posted by calia14 on May 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM | link to this | reply

I need to understand it more, just like their new immigrations law, we just get bits and pieces from the media and over react on most things

posted by Lanetay on May 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM | link to this | reply

Re: dsm tchr
It isn't merely a case of your own personal position, but those directly involved. I lived in Tucson and my eldest started K and l grade there.  The officials had more than they could handle -- without all the drugs --  20 years ago.  I also lived and traveled in Mexico -- on the local economy and I saw first hand the corruption that exists in seemingly infinite control.  It will not change because we are Mexico's escape valve.  The powers that be will resort to anything, even to bribing members of our own govt. to keep the border porous and profitable. And now the robbing and kidnappings and murders have moved north to Phoenix.  Where and who puts an end to it must be determined, and soon.  joab

posted by joab3 on May 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM | link to this | reply

dsm tchr
You know where I stand on Illegal Immigration..........but I do find this to be wrong

posted by TIMMYTALES on May 25, 2010 at 7:19 AM | link to this | reply

I was watching a TV show last night from Australia on the plight of the
Indigenous Australians when the missionaries and the cattle men moved into the outback a century or more ago. How the adults were slaughted like animals...the men were shot,,,,lonely cattlemen took the girls and women into their houses  ...a harem of women to sleep with and to keep house for them. I would like to ignore that this happened, I would wish the world not to see it, there is no justice in those thoughts. I can't tell your country how to run themselves.......I can only feel shame for what happened in Australia.

posted by Kabu on May 25, 2010 at 6:51 AM | link to this | reply

Does It not also apply to.....
Irish-American studies, African-American studies, Italian-American studies, and Lower Swabodian-American studies.....it's equally restrictive.

posted by Corbin_Dallas on May 25, 2010 at 5:09 AM | link to this | reply