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different then the youth before. The older ones learn then forget the struggle that got them there.
posted by
Mystereo
on October 2, 2010 at 9:02 PM
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Re: entertainers
I also wanted to add that, as we go on, I will be introducing a large variety of subjects for us to cogitate on and share our views. Thanks.
posted by
intellectual_acumen
on February 12, 2010 at 11:00 PM
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Re: entertainers
Thank you for your very honest opinion 2902, your response brought another perspective to me. I had to read your response critically to understand what your saying and so let me break it down to you, the way I understood it(your response), if I get off at any point, correct me. What you are saying is that, a great music does not need all of that sexual embellishments to be great, and that each time that is done, at the end of the day if the song is defective it still remains defective still. You are also saying that as long as it is natural for guys to be somewhat excited by all those skin showing, you feel as though it is some kind of show of incompetence on the part of the singer by trying to cover their inadequacies with such skin showing. You also think that a song can be great without all of that extraneous additives, and therefore we need to understand that and judge a music based on a music strictly and not a dance performance. This is what I gathered from your response.
Now, I get this, so I think we are kind of on the same page. You see, the thing is, pls pay attention to what I'm about saying cos' I want your response based on this; I personally think that strictly musically, Beyonce for instance has a great vocal gift. I have read her story, she has been doing stage performance all her life, she went to a music school all her life, she left her church choir at a very young age to pursue her music professionally. I have watched her sing silent night on a christmas show, she has an amazing vocal endowment, the ability to hit some very great notes. Often times when people ask me if I love her, I say 'I think she has an amazing vocal, and I do agree with some of her ideas channeled through her song'. I guess what I am saying is without the whole sexually provocative display she attaches to her performances, musically ,that is vocally, she is great! However, I kind of think when it comes to pop-music, if it is not sexually inclined it does not sell, that has become a part of pop-culture, and that I think is why most of these performers add such to their performances. However, like I said, her song, Halo, was great without all those sexually provocative attires and performances. So that means like you said, a song can be great without all of that. But now my question is, when it comes to the youths and general audience, are the effects of those sexually heated performances negative or postive, are some of the lyrics infusing the young with wrong ideologies, because like I mentioned, these performers are role models to a lot of people. As a young boy, if I watch such videos or listen to such lyrics will I have an increased desire to want to have sex with my girl friend, or as a young girl will listening to such or watching such lead towards being sexually loosed? Because we need to know that as a musician, your music is one of your strongest link to your generation and world, what you sing should be who you are, but I kind of think these days, it is not the case. Is money sometimes the focus? Just focus on these key questions and respond accordingly. I really appreciate this, because I am seriously thinking of a T.V show in the nearest future, so I'm using this avenue to share my thoughts, speculations, and assumptions with the blogit audience. It is like a poll, so your response is highly appreciated. Thanks.
posted by
intellectual_acumen
on February 12, 2010 at 10:55 PM
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I do not know these singers well enough to have an opinion! sam
posted by
sam444
on February 12, 2010 at 6:00 PM
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entertainers
Hi - I'm a newcomer to the poetry blog. I'm not much of a philosopher, but I wonder if there isn't a useful distinction to be made here. Suppose one could put in one box all the sexual razzamatazz and in another box the strictly MUSICAL skill and performance. There they are, two things sorted out for separate judgement. (This thought occurred to me while watching the Grammies - man, what was that lovely lady in tights doing up there lip-synching her music - mike in hand - on a trapeze!!! The distinction between glitz and music was begging to be made.)
Is it just me? Has MTV changed the whole pop music game so that merely listening can no longer deliver the entire hit song? It's been coming ever since Elvis' swinging pelvis and probably peaked with Michael Jackson.
I feel this way: if the topic is music, let it be judged as music (unless, of course, the subject is a dance performance). All the rest is extraneous. Sure a love lyric presents more effectively when delivered by a visually attractive performer, looking their best, and doing interesting things.
Put another way, suppose the song stinks - can the performance somehow make it all a pleasurable experience? (Neil Diamond used to do it all the time with listenable melodies and vacuous lyrics) Sure, but once the excitement is over and you have leisure to reflect and judge, the product is still defective - nice wrapping, but no gift inside. That's always been the problem with using sex to sell things. A fascination with "wrapping paper", however understandable, is ultimately a pastime for children.
Put still another way, what's left when you turn off the audio and watch? What's left when you turn off the picture and listen? (Try this with any performance by that middle-aged woman with the knockout voice from the UK. ) Modern pop music fans, of course, have logic on their side if they object, "Who ever said we had to CHOOSE between the two?
...Hey, I think I may have gotten off the topic somewhere there, but the subject fascinates me.
As far as sexy clothes, "a slight disorder in the dress," or "warddrobe malfunctions" are concerned, all us males still above ground are going to gawk, but I find myself uneasily wondering if the performer isn't showing some lack of confidence in her material and trying to cover it with bare skin...
I gotta go eat.
posted by
2902
on February 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM
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entertainers
Hi - I'm a newcomer to the poetry blog. I'm not much of a philosopher, but I wonder if there isn't a useful distinction to be made here. Suppose one could put in one box all the sexual razzamatazz and in another box the strictly MUSICAL skill and performance. There they are, two things sorted out for separate judgement. (This thought occurred to me while watching the Grammies - man, what was that lovely lady in tights doing up there lip-synching her music - mike in hand - on a trapeze!!! The distinction between glitz and music was begging to be made.)
Is it just me? Has MTV changed the whole pop music game so that merely listening can no longer deliver the entire hit song? It's been coming ever since Elvis' swinging pelvis and probably peaked with Michael Jackson.
I feel this way: if the topic is music, let it be judged as music (unless, of course, the subject is a dance performance). All the rest is extraneous. Sure a love lyric presents more effectively when delivered by a visually attractive performer, looking their best, and doing interesting things.
Put another way, suppose the song stinks - can the performance somehow make it all a pleasurable experience? (Neil Diamond used to do it all the time with listenable melodies and vacuous lyrics) Sure, but once the excitement is over and you have leisure to reflect and judge, the product is still defective - nice wrapping, but no gift inside.
Put still another way, what's left when you turn off the audio and watch? What's left when you turn off the picture and listen? (Try this with any performance by that middle-aged woman with the knockout voice from the UK. ) Modern pop music fans, of course, have logic on their side if they object, "Who ever said we had to CHOOSE between the two?
...Hey, I think I may have gotten off the topic somewhere there, but the subject fascinates me.
As far as sexy clothes, "a slight disorder in the dress," or "warddrobe malfunctions" are concerned, all us males still above ground are going to gawk, but I find myself uneasily wondering if the performer isn't showing some lack of confidence in her material and trying to cover it with bare skin...
I gotta go eat.
posted by
2902
on February 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM
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