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That is exactly the liberal line (innocent ones)for not believing in capital punishment. They live for the life-boat case. Believe it or not I sat in jail for a day and half for something the jerks I was hanging out with did. I still believe what I do.
It's a shame to kill an innocent but it's not a perfect world. However I believe in our justice system, it's certainly not Mexico where they will just look for someone to hang. I think most trials bring out the sufficient proof of a persons innocence or guilt.
In fact often they waste far too much time and money. Look at OJ and he got off after all.
In the end I think way more criminals go free than innocents get executed.
posted by
mordent
on November 8, 2008 at 11:18 AM
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Yes, the deterrent effect of executions would be much stronger with public executions and more rapid settlement of cases and application of sentences. But what about the execution of the innocent?
posted by
mousehop
on November 8, 2008 at 10:28 AM
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Meth addicts act like schizo's. I've known my share of both and have quite an understanding of both. Your views mirror that of your party line. Again, if I talk to the other side of the fence, they will say the complete opposite.
My thoughts are that no one is thinking about being executed when they commit violent crimes. It's simply not common enough. How about if we acted like The M East and sliced peoples hands off for stealing?
Bet it stops. Executions all the time in public maybe. Bet it stops.
I know a pothead who wouldn't smoke in THailand..said he didn't want to die for smoking a joint
posted by
mordent
on November 5, 2008 at 7:43 PM
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I said liberals fight against tyranny. We do. We do not fight against "any punishment for criminals". We prefer to look at data about what works and what doesn't in making society safe in a cost-effective manner. My opposition to capital punishment is based on the reality of cases of execution of innocent men, and a lack of evidence for a deterrent effect from executions. I think my understanding of the issue, and my thought processes, would stand up to examination. I also suspect, based on my medical training, that in the case presented, the "criminal" who left a pot on a doorstep was behaving like a schizophrenic. But I'm not that afraid of schizophrenics carry pots, so I don't think I would have called the police on him. Nor would I argue to have him executed.
posted by
mousehop
on November 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM
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A lot of rational people liberal or not may call the police but in general libs rationalize criminals and their behavior.
And I do believe liberals identify with criminals because they see them as victims/underdog.
It has always been my belief violent or chronic criminals be put to death. My incident just produced inspiration to write about it.
And do it like China. Fast and cheap.
Perhaps instead of making libs watch they should be forced to talk to the victims families.
posted by
mordent
on November 4, 2008 at 9:28 AM
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Re: Self Examination
Here we have the differences of a liberal like mousehop and a conservative like myself:
First, if I saw someone exhibiting schizophrenic behavoir in my neighborhood, I would not keep an eye on him but would have called the police immediately. That is what parents of a 6 and 10 year would do and for good reason. I think that kind of behavior would warrant an immediate call to law enforcement for our protection and the person himself.
Second, just the sort of things liberal fight against? Liberals fight against any punishment for criminals. This is proven everyday. I guess if I were a liberal I would hate to have to watch an execution because my because it would be such a vivid reminder of how my thought process is so wrong.
Third, while a liberal thinks through rationally and examines all the facts and logic the crime has already been done. Thanks for proving my comment to be 100% on the money. Keep thinking in crisis situations, good luck with that approach!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on November 3, 2008 at 6:29 PM
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Oh, I forgot the that after your death at the hands of this criminal/murderer, if you had been a liberal, you would then been shocked that there is a God! Then as Desi Arnaz used to say, "Lucy! You got some splaining to do!"
posted by
RedStatesMan
on November 3, 2008 at 6:20 PM
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Self Examination
Reading these comments, I have learned all kinds of things I never knew about me and my kind. First off, I'm dead a thousand times over because I coddle criminals. Never mind that i have never coddled a single actual criminal, and if I saw someone exhibiting schizophrenic behavior (as described in the post), I would keep an eye on him until he at least left my neighborhood, unless I felt more aggressive or threatened, in which case I would contact the authorities top deal with him (or her, as the case was once.) Also, I associate with, or at least wish I could associate with scum. Can't wait to tell all those people I actually associate with what they really are.
Declaring that criminals should die because you screwed up is hardly rational, so I'm glad you didn't attribute that behavior to liberals. But forcing liberals to watch executions without due process of law is tyranny, just the sort of thing we liberals fight against, so don't expect any cooperation with this project. If we're going to have capital punishment, it must be restricted to capital crimes, and forcing anyone to watch an execution is cruel and unusual punishment. So who is rewriting the Constitution now? And for trivialities, no less. I feel it's a good thing I'm so liberal, or I might have been taken in by the emotions of the moment instead of thinking this through rationally.
posted by
mousehop
on November 3, 2008 at 4:27 PM
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Re: this post reminded me of a strange dream i had last night...i had fallen
I'll bet it does.
posted by
mordent
on November 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM
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Re: Great Post!
Wow you really got the liberal psychology down! As I said the party of suicide and your story played out to that.
posted by
mordent
on November 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM
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Re: I can only assume you're posting an extreme view for dramatic effect.
As I said my senses were way down and he seemed a bit unsavory but that was it. He sure wasn't a threat to kids but it was hard to tell what he was up to.
I realized once I had my senses back.
That's a good question and my answer is if you see someone that you're certain is committing a crime then you should either intervene or call police. Otherwise I believe the law would say you are an accessory.
posted by
mordent
on November 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM
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this post reminded me of a strange dream i had last night...i had fallen
asleep outside (on a sidewalk, no less) and someone ran off with most of the contents of my purse...woke up the next morning and found my wallet and keys gone, but my cell phone was still there...what a strange dream...wonder if it means anything in terms of the outcome of the elections?
posted by
Ariala
on November 3, 2008 at 4:38 AM
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I can only assume you're posting an extreme view for dramatic effect.
Here's my question. If someone sees a criminal acting out and does nothing about it, does that make him an accessory to the crime? What should be punishment be for letting a potentially dangerous person go unchallenged through an area where small children are expected? Every criminal has a justification.
posted by
Pat_B
on November 3, 2008 at 4:21 AM
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Great Post!
Excellent! I could not agree with you more! You did not have a liberal moment by being tired and not interested enough to investigate more. If you had had a liberal moment then you would approached him and ask him to sign a voter registration card then tell him to vote for Hussein Obama. Then you would have invited him to your house where he would have stolen everything while you sat there thinking to yourself 'I must not do anything to violate his civil rights.' Then he would have tried to kill you while you sat there thinking I guess it is my fault he is in this situation, yes that's it my fault along with the rest of society. Then you would have been dead.
So you see, you did not have a liberal moment. You were just tired. I wish I would have been there to have taken care of matters. In a conservative way, that is! Great post Mordent!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on November 2, 2008 at 6:45 PM
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~Peace, OTA
posted by
Blue_feathers
on November 2, 2008 at 4:48 PM
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Wow every word you said are exactly my thoughts. Word for word. Nice to see some understanding here.
posted by
mordent
on November 2, 2008 at 4:30 PM
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Re: Your medication is truly and totally lost, I'm assuming because
Day of the Dead wasn't a very good movie. The original Night of the Living Dead was much better.
Nice that you didn't notice that I kept it cool for kids, nor that I was a victim of a crime.
too busy feeling the criminals pain. Well maybe I could kill em all. Depends on my mood I guess.
posted by
mordent
on November 2, 2008 at 4:30 PM
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Your medication is truly and totally lost, I'm assuming because
you want so many things to die once again, mordent. Pobrecito.
And,l now that I read you rmore and feel that I know you a little better, I'm assuming that you would really want to be the person killing all of those criminals for me to watch die, no?
What a special day that will be for us all. A real Day of the Dead..........and Dying, created just by you for all of us. Can't wait to read the legislation as it is introduced by you.
posted by
benzinha
on November 2, 2008 at 3:48 PM
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Theft drives me crazy! It irks me to have to have everything under lock and key constantly to protect it! Forget one time you did and you are violated. Damn! People just need to keep their hands to themselves. You punishment might deter quite a few! lol sam
posted by
sam444
on November 2, 2008 at 3:47 PM
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