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Re: Janes, you are not seeing the connection

Kooka, again, I understand where you're coming from.  I just don't agree with you.  I think he's a far better leader than you will ever give him credit for.  Was he my first choice?  Nope.  He was at the bottom of all the Republicans, but there's no way on God's green earth that I could vote for Obama and his economic policies, as well as his policies on infanticide and abortion.  He's way too liberal in ideals, yet trying to come across as a Centrist. 

And I also disagree on your take with his advisors.  I think he's way more receptive than you give him credit for. 

So I shall agree to disagree w/ you.  Thanks, as always, for stopping by.

posted by JanesOpinion on September 24, 2008 at 7:47 PM | link to this | reply

Janes, you are not seeing the connection
His attitude towards computer is reflected in his attitude towards economic and social issues.  If he is not going to put the effort needed towards keeping up with something as basic and really as simple (I mean ho mush easier can it all get than what we are seeing now days) as using a computer, then how the hell do you think he do handling the real complex areas such as economic and social issues?
The computer issue just helps to show us all how his brain is wired.  He obviously lacks the skills and abilities needed to keep pace with things.  To me this look to be of his own will, and that he has just decided that there is no need to even try.
As for the idea of advisors, yeah he'll have those, but he looks to be even worse than Bush when it comes to listening to them. After all we would NOT be in Iraq right now if Bush had listened to his advisors.  So far McCain seems to be more stubborn about doing it all his way than Bush.

posted by kooka_lives on September 24, 2008 at 8:07 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Janes, you still don't seem to get it

Kooka, I totally do get what you're saying.  I just don't agree that it's as big a deal as you're making it.  I have more of a concern with McCain saying he doesn't understand the economy, than computers.  But the fact is, any presidential candidate, including your own fav, is going to have a team of advisors.  There's simply no way to know it all.  McCain has been around the block a few times, and I think has extraordinary knowledge and capacity to lead and to learn everything he needs to know. 

Frankly, I'd much, much rather have him get advice from advisors and experts in the field than to pretend he knows everything there is to know about economics or health care or education or the military or . . . .

posted by JanesOpinion on September 19, 2008 at 7:28 PM | link to this | reply

Janes, you still don't seem to get it
His attitude towards computers reflects a greater issue that shows some serious character flaws in the guy.  He is clearly unwilling to keep pace with the rest of he world.  Clearly unable to push himself to adjust as the world is evolving around him.  He is clearly not part of the present, but willingly trapped in the past.
He is showing that he is not going to be progressive with his thinking. 
You keep trying to simplify the whole issue as being about computers, but there is a larger picture related to it. He has admitted to being clueless about economics and social issues, and he almost seems to think such things are unimportant.  His whole attitude shows him to not be very open to new ideas or changes. His clear inability to adapt is reflected by his self imposed computer illiteracy, and is the kind of thing that makes for a truly piss poor president.
Part of the clear problem with him is his attitude about such things.  He makes it clear he is not even going to try because as far as he is concerned there is no point to keeping pace with the rest of society.  Is that really the kind of leader you want running this country?

I was not aware they had figured out who had hacked Palin's e-mail yet.  I'll have to check that out now.

posted by kooka_lives on September 19, 2008 at 2:51 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka, you're really fixated on this, aren't you?

There are so many more important matters occuring, yet you are focused on McCain's lack of computer savy.  Golly. That is so last week!

But seriously, I guess I don't think it's as big of a deal as you do, evidently.  Regarding Sarah's email debacle, I agree there should have been more security and she should have used the official email account for business.  Does this show a lack of judgment?  No.  It was a matter of convenience.  There have been a number of business folk who've talked about how they have personal and business accounts, and how easy it can be to blend the two.  

Ironically, I see that it seems to have been the son of a Democratic State congressman who broke into her account.  Imagine that.

posted by JanesOpinion on September 19, 2008 at 10:18 AM | link to this | reply

Janes, that doesn't prove what you think it does
Palin should have been smart enough to not use a personal e-mail account with next to no security to it for government business.  that was a huge mistake on her part.  She would have had access to much more secure service and that is what she should have been using for her official correspondence.  That shows a weakness in her judgment.   Obama uses e-mail regularly and he has yet to have any problems with hackers.  My guess is he is actually more cautious about what account he uses and the security behind his account.
As of the McCain aspect of this, it is not the computer illiteracy alone that is the issue.  It is that he is just unwilling to even try. E-mail aside, he needs to be able to use a computer.  His attitude seems to say he shouldn't have to and that he feels he will able to work fine without one.
 Rutherford B. Hayes was the first president to use a phone in the white house.  If the any of the next few presidents after him were unable to use such a NEEDED tool that really was a instrumental part in being able to do the job at its most productive, they would have looked to be weak and unable to accept progress no matter what physical condition they may have been able to try and use as their excuse.  The computer is a NEEDED tool now day, especially for such a position.
McCain is showing here that he is just not ready to deal with modern times.  He also is showing he is not willing to push himself and advance.  Basically his attitude towards computers show a greater fault with the man, displaying characteristics that we CANNOT afford to have with in a President.

posted by kooka_lives on September 19, 2008 at 7:38 AM | link to this | reply

Ha ha, Corbin, good one.

And Kooka, regarding McCain not using a computer as being a sign that he is out of touch with reality -- or whatever your complaint.  I think this whole argument is akin to the philosophy of dumbing down of America.  I'm betting McCain can do a lot more brain storming in his head because he doesn't rely on a computer as a crutch.  He probably uses his brain a lot MORE simply because he doesn't use a computer.

Your argument is pretty weak, and a somewhat pitiful attempt to detract from the more important issues facing folk.

posted by JanesOpinion on September 16, 2008 at 9:30 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Kooka, from what I've read, your friend Bill Clinton
JanesO.......He didn't need a computer for has Porn........he delegated the tasks to various interns.......

posted by Corbin_Dallas on September 16, 2008 at 5:44 AM | link to this | reply

Clinton was in office at the beginning of the internet revolution.  But the thing is he did use it and he was leaning how to use it as it became more and more needed. And now, nearly a decade later, the computer is a much more important tool than it was back then.  Any one wanting to be president better be willing to be the effort into making sure they have the most basic level of understanding about computer and can do the simplest of things such as e-mail.
As I said, there are people who have NO ARMS who can use the computer.  So that alone is as piss poor of an excuse as it gets.  If that was all that was really holding McCain back, there are so many devices out there that he could use that would not put any strain on his arms, and he has the money to afford to get the best of them.  A hundred years of so ago when the telephone became an important tool, I can promise you how ever was president better had made sure he knew how to use one.  A president CANNOT sit back and fall behind the times, be unwilling to push his/her self to learn ways to work with the new technologies that are an important part of modern society.
Basically right now you are defending McCain's attitude of falling behind the times and not working to keep caught up with society.  Those are NOT qualities I would like in the Commander in chief. McCain is saying his discomfort should be able to allow him to not work hard and not adjust to changes.
This makes McCain look weak, out dated, lazy and ignorant.  A good leader would go and find a way to at least be able to do the basics is order to make sure there in no doubt that he can keep up with the rest of the world.

posted by kooka_lives on September 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka, from what I've read, your friend Bill Clinton
sent very few emails during his administration.  I've read that his use of computers during his admin was extremely minimal. I don't think that computer use is a pre requisite for Pres.

posted by JanesOpinion on September 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM | link to this | reply

Love that defense of McCain not being able to use a computer
There are people out there who have no arms, but can use a computer because they understand the need for them in the modern era.  Seriously, how anyone could run for president without being bale to find a way to use the most important basic tool that is out there shows a inability to adapt as far as I am concerned.
It is not because McCain physically is unable to, there are so many ways he could if he understood just how important such a thing is.  It is clearly because is just does not wish to be caught up with the rest of the world.  My grandfather was lot like that.  He disliked new technology and found excuses as to why he avoided computers and such.  Of course he was older than McCain.  Just looking at McCain comments about computers and such, he is just not willing to try which to me says a lot about the kind of person he is.
The President of the USA needs to be at least minimally computer literate in order to do his job, of that there really is no doubt.  If anything McCain could take an example from FDR and not show his handicap, finding ways to not make him look so weak.  In this day and age being unable to use a computer is in essence a handicap after all and it does not make a person look strong to be unable to do something as simple as e-mail.

I think I may have to edit this up a little and repost it as a post on its own now.  It does make a valid point.

posted by kooka_lives on September 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM | link to this | reply

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