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Writer, here is my reply to you from my own comments section
Writer, you seem confused how opinion and facts work Okay it is a fact that Bush got us into a wart with Iraq. It is opinion as to if this was a good thing or not.
What Bush did is FACT, the idea of if his actions are good or bad are all OPINION.
All of what Bush has done he has done and I have never claimed he has done anything that he has not actually done. All of that is FACTS and out there for all to see.
Now it is my OPINION that he is a horrible president and most everything he has done has been wrong. I am not saying he did anything he did not do, just that what he has done in my OPINION makes him a horrible President.
In YOUR OPINION he has done right and that he is not a horrible President.
This has nothing at all to do with propaganda or misinformation. Two people can take the same facts and make their own opinions about them, yet you cannot take misinformation and make a fact out of it.
Such as it is a fact that Bush got us into a war with Iraq. The war being good or bad is a matter of opinion. So there is a fact of an action and it is opinion as to the right or wrong of said action. However the idea that Obama blew off US soldier when he was in Iraq is not a fact and has been proven to be false, nothing more than a batch of lies. At that point you cannot take a proven lie and bend it around to become an opinion. That is what this post was about.
You seem to end up with the same kind of mentality that RedStatesMan has. You see something talking about conservatives and decide that it is all about you. Funny, I never once mentioned you in this post here, nor did I ever say 'All conservatives'. Your posts generally seem to be very one sided, presenting only one set of facts about a situation and ignoring a lot that would go against you, or you really do just state your opinion or you state a fact that in a conservative slanted manner. While I dislike such things, your actions are not what this post was about. Since you are generally NOT one of the conservatives here guilty of the spreading of propaganda, you are not one that this post was about.
You defense of RSM is rather interesting, mostly since his comment there was a attack against my character over the most trivial and insignificant of things. I have never once claimed my opinions to be facts, no more than you do. RSM on the other hand loves to spread the propaganda and is one greatly guilty of being one who does owe Obama and apology for committing slander against him. He dislikes people who can present facts that show him to be mistaken and does not share you need to be accurate and never tries to correct an error if someone catches him making one.
However I should like to see you follow your own challenge here. If you see me post anything as being fact that is not, point it out to me. if you see me claiming a clear opinion as fact, tell me. if you see me spreading any form of propaganda or misinformation, correct me on it. I hold myself to high standards based on my integrity and I do not wish to look a fool or a liar by posting false information. And so when you are unable to demonstrate that my facts are wrong, you must admit that I am right, if we are to be playing fair here.
Are you up to this?
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 19, 2008 at 8:15 PM
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And as far as being insincere goes . . .
Of COURSE I was sincere! I meant it when I said I was sorry for making fun of Obama's ears and his smoking.
Just as I am sincere in saying I will NOT apologize for, with a nod towards Kooka, offering my OPINIONS on what disqualifies him as President until the Bush-haters apologize for offering their OPINIONS about him, especially if my OPINIONS are going to be mischaracterized as "lies, misinformation and propaganda" and their OPINIONS are going to be protrayed as factual.
posted by
WriterofLight
on August 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM
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Re: This was my reply to you in my blog
Kooka asked quite an interesting question: "Do you understand the difference between OPINION and LIES, PROPAGANDA AND MISINFORMATION?"
I do, but I'm not so sure you do. Or, more to the point, I'm not sure you understand the difference between facts and opinion.
Consider what you admit is your opinion: "[President Bush] has shown himself to be a horrible president, helping to bring this country down to the point where it is close to collapse, he has been a great friend to the terrorists and he has done nothing at all to build the country up to help to ensure a better future for anyone who is not already rich."
If this is your opinion, then you following statement that "I did not try to say he did anything that he did not do" is meaningless. Either it is a fact that he is a horrible president, etc., or it is your opinion.
You see, opinion and facts are not the same at all. In the realm of facts, either something happened or it didn't, either it is or it is not. In the realm of opinion, facts are interpreted according to one's beliefs, morals, perspectives and so forth.
You have a problem in these comments. You blast conservatives for "posting lies, misinformation and propaganda" about Obama. Yet, as good reader RSM poined out, you apparently expect our readers to blindly accept your opinions as if they were facts, simply on your say-so that you are representing facts.
If you will take the time to read my posts, I take pains to cite sources for the facts about Obama on which I offer my opinions.
Your buddy Xenox claimed that what I write about "global warming" was "98% quite unreliable," and I gladly took that as a challenge with which to measure the accuracy of all further postings. I am quite proud to say that I have entirely met that challenged and been nearly 100% reliable. Indeed, Xenox was unable to make that claim again.
I have a similar challenge for you, good Kooka. I invite you to hold me to the same standards concerning Obama that Xenox held me to concerning "global warming." If any fact I cite about him, from the flap over the flag on his plane to any of his utterances to his policies to the actions of his supporters, is proven inaccurate. I invite you to let me know where I have erred. Not my opinion, which is to say my interpretation of the facts, but the facts themselves upon which the opinion is based. Catch an error, and I will gladly correct it. But when you are unable to demonstate that my facts are wrong, you must admit that I am right.
Are you up to this?
posted by
WriterofLight
on August 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM
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RSM ,stop showing yourself to be so ignorant
I do not get my information from the Sci-Fi channel. You are confusing 'information' with 'inspiration'. They are not the same thing at all.
I know you just wish to try and blindly discredit me because in truth you know you have nothing in the way of facts to prove me wrong. You get all you propaganda, misinformation and lies (Since I really have not seen you put anything close to facts up in your posts) from an out dated book or myths and a bunch of conservative meatheads who spit out the most piss-poor ideas I have ever heard.
And where in the world do you get the illusion that bush ahs done anything at all right with his 'War of Terror'? He is letting those who attacked us run as free as it gets because he had to get us into Iraq and help Bin Laden out by going after Bin Laden's enemies. All the facts say that Bin Laded stood to gain a lot by us taking down Saddam, who he wanted out of the picture. Bush has been a great ally to the terrorist.
Go and look at my posts and find for me where I ever present something as being fact that you can prove is not fact. I base my opinions and views off of facts every time.
And once you and those like you stop acting Childish, I'll stop using that term. As long as it fits I will keep on using it to make my point.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 10, 2008 at 8:35 PM
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Re: Corbin
You have admitted that it is opinion (based on your facts). I do not think that I need to remind everyone here that opinions are something that all of us have just like orifices that we all have so that is a mute point. Your opinion that Bush has done a terrible job is your opinion or orifice. We all have those as well so what declares your opinions or orifices more accurate than ours? No Bush is not some "perfect being" in my mind. He has made the government bigger which in my conservative mind is not good. The way he has handled the war on terrorism has been very good in my opinion or orifice.
The problem here is that you claim your posts are filled with truths but in examining where you get your info from it seems that it is always from liberal slanted media or some cosmic character on a SciFi television program. I am having a problem in seeing how your way is deemed as the end all of debate.
We all have opinions and none of us can simply ordain ourselves as ministers or reverends of truth. It is simply opinions. We all give our opinions and the world will not end if you finally realize that your opinion is not agreed upon by everyone, unless you are a radical Muslim.
By the way, change childish in your comments and blogs; it is becoming redundant.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on August 9, 2008 at 11:20 PM
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Corbin
I got it, but the simple FACT is that I have never once use propaganda, lies or misinformation when talking about Bush. All I have said is my opinions based off of the what Bush has done and said. Never once have I sunk down to the level you and many other conservatives here have in their childish games of grabbing whatever load of BS out there that supports their side and posting it blindly.
Bush is a horrible president because he has done a piss poor job of running the country. That is NOT any form of propaganda, misinformation or lies. It is opinion based on the facts at hand.
I know that in your mind as well as the minds of many Bush-backers, he is some kind of perfect being and no one should be allowed to express any views that show him to be the crappy president that he has been. But so far that is what he has shown himself to be in my eyes and I need not make up any batch of lies, misinformation or propaganda to back up that view.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 4, 2008 at 6:22 PM
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Harderup
I think you're a little confused. My comment was meant for Writeroflight, not you. It is one of my posts he is talking about in this post of his.
Basically I got fed up with the American Conservatives here on Blogit posting misinformation, propaganda and lies about Obama and then trying to use that false information to say why you shouldn't vote for him. I felt hat was childish and that they owe Obama an apology for such slander. Now if they instead just express their honest opinions and talked about the actual facts of it all, that would be different. But we are not seeing too much of that.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 4, 2008 at 6:14 PM
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Writer........
I got it.......even if, so far, no one else has......ROTFLMAO! Good one!
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 4, 2008 at 2:05 PM
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And I will apologize to Obama for calling him on bla bla bla
Why would you apologize on calling on someone's (in your eyes) lies?
That is what I meant by being an insencere appology.
I don't really care who is right or wrong in your political war.
posted by
Lotus_Flower
on August 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM
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This was my reply to you in my blog
At no point in the post do I say that anyone should apologize for their OPINIONS. What they should apologize for is spreading lies, misinformation and propaganda as if it were fact. What all you stated was either opinion or YOUR take on the facts. None of what you used as an example was misinformation or propaganda or lies.
And since I have never posted any misinformation, propaganda or lies about Bush, I have nothing to apologize for. He has shown himself to be a horrible president, helping to bring this country down to the point where it is close to collapse, he has been a great friend to the terrorists and he has done nothing at all to build the country up to help to ensure a better future for anyone who is not already rich. And all of that can be considered my OPINION. In that I did not try to say he did anything that he did not do, nor did I try to pass on any form of misinformation, propaganda or lies, I owe no apology.
Do you understand the difference between OPINION and LIES, PROPAGANDA AND MISINFORMATION?
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 4, 2008 at 1:28 PM
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Insencere
As I am not american, I have no oppinion about Obama or McCain, but an insencere appology - no matter what, is in my eyes worse than to stand up for your oppinion.
posted by
Lotus_Flower
on August 3, 2008 at 10:11 PM
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