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FineYoungSinger - the political spectrum is a little different in Canada

We have two main parties that reside just a bit left and right of center. We never vote parties into office in our country but instead vote them out. Usually because the incumbents have gotten caught with their hands in the cookie jar. We have a third party of socialists, the "make the rich pay" folks. Every once in awhile we loose our minds and vote them in to let them destroy everything. They've never had power at the federal level but we did once vote them into power at the provincial (state) level. We're still paying for that mistake.

The reality of the democratic political system is that all politicians must play the popularity game to win and retain office. In many instances the popularity game is at odds with the unpopular actions that need to be taken to correct things.  

posted by gomedome on December 5, 2007 at 9:58 PM | link to this | reply

Why can't FYS stand politics?

because in all reality, both parties in America differ in only their rhetoric.  Their tactics and their agendas are identical:  pander to the lobbyist, increase governmental control upon constituants.

Every issue, including this one, is a smoke screen.

posted by FineYoungSinger on December 5, 2007 at 1:47 PM | link to this | reply

saul_relative - "ignorance driven fear" is really the basis of which a

democratic system works from in the modern era.

It is remarkable how ill informed the general populace is concerning issues that affect their everyday lives. Especially when considering the ease with which we can inform ourselves. What I saw during this debate and others like it, both Democrat and Republican, is how they are just dog and pony shows of bullshit and bluster with candidates saying nothing really. Other than throwing out catch phrases that they are sure will be well received. It's all about the facade they create and nothing more. At the end of the day, they all seem to be products of the political system within which they are attempting to advance.

posted by gomedome on December 4, 2007 at 6:24 AM | link to this | reply

The problem with Republicans is that they beleive everything can be
handled by building fences and buying guns.  Ignorance-driven fear is their power source.  But, then, the Democrats aren't much better with thier hypocritical idealism.  Ignoring illegal immigration solves nothing.  Gestapo-like tactics to deal with it are asinine.  The Democrats don't watch out, the Republicans will ride this scare vehicle into the White House in 2008, just like they used terrorism in 2004.

posted by saul_relative on December 4, 2007 at 6:09 AM | link to this | reply

sam444 - I was once responsible for hiring about 40 seasonal workers
Help wanted postings in all of the papers and our government employment agency went completely unanswered. Not one person applied for any of the jobs which were in the fruit farming industry, paid by piecework based on market values and generally netted a hard worker just a bit less than minimum wage. We could have raised the pay scale and sold all of the produce at a loss or our second option was to join the guest worker program. Like all of the other farmers facing the same reality, we imported plane loads of Haitians for 6-8 weeks every summer. For them it was something they relied very heavily on to boost their annual income. During a time when a decent job paid somewhere between $300-500 per week, they were happy to net $100 per week after we paid their room and board. The practice is still carried on today.

posted by gomedome on November 30, 2007 at 12:55 PM | link to this | reply

You may be more on target than you realize.  SAM

posted by sam444 on November 30, 2007 at 11:57 AM | link to this | reply

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