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posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 13, 2007 at 10:53 PM
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on reading a little more of what you have to read i am shocked to find someone that would finally agree to what i hav to say, a wish you much happiness an glory. like henry makows i hav also found truths soul destroying but glad i hav such peice of mind
posted by
BRANNAN
on October 13, 2007 at 10:24 PM
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could you please hav a look at my blog and reply with some helpful advise
posted by
BRANNAN
on October 13, 2007 at 10:11 PM
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It is difficult for me at times to understand 'belief' as such because I
understand what I understand and why I understand because of the blessing of where my understanding has come from. It was not writen by a writer or translated by a translator nor the composition demanded of a temporal king. ~Blessings on this day~
posted by
roadscross
on October 7, 2007 at 3:16 PM
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SB
SB I hear your reasoning on this & agree. Ironic, this was the next topic I was going to mention Belief, non-believers, believers etc etc. Yours was a worthy read SB. The insight was welcomed.
Love, Guidance & Blessings
posted by
UncharteredSoul
on October 7, 2007 at 10:14 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Brian
Of course GOd and Jesus Christ not equall with religion and churches. I don'T believe that any church (Chatolic, or mine, Lutheran) was founded by Christ personally. But I'm sure, that what we can read in the Bible is the closest to the truth where people got in history.
posted by
Brian76
on October 7, 2007 at 1:31 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Brian
Of course GOd and Jesus Christ not equall with religion and churches. I don'T believe that any church (Chatolic, or mine, Lutheran) was founded by Christ personally. But I'm sure, that what we can read in the Bible is the closest to the truth where people got in
posted by
Brian76
on October 7, 2007 at 1:31 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: soulbuilder101
Looking over me? Strange I never noticed! It has always been me doing the needful. Family is on the other side, looking to destroy me!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 10:00 PM
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JUsti
This is how it was meant to be. The Vicar of Christ and the middleman/priest are all inventions! Thanks.
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 9:58 PM
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so who is looking over you?
posted by
Lanetay
on October 5, 2007 at 8:25 PM
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Soul Builder 101
This piece is so well written. I am a believer who puts my mind, energy, actions and all I have behind my belief. I have a proven relationship with God. I do not have to prove it to anyone else only to myself. I would not argue over it. I am not mindless nor lazy in any sense of the word, but I have experienced many miracles that could come no other way than from a super natural source. Be blessed. I believe whatever your pursuit of spirituality is for you is between you and your God just as mine is.
posted by
Justi
on October 5, 2007 at 8:22 PM
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Nada! I am distressed yet getting worse! Materially, they got me. Next stop....a shelter!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 8:21 PM
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so there are no miracles in your hat you can pull out
posted by
Lanetay
on October 5, 2007 at 7:19 PM
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Re: Re: Re: soulbuilder101
Sorry! I am not under contract!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 7:16 PM
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Re: Re: soulbuilder101
you have to prove it to me
posted by
Lanetay
on October 5, 2007 at 6:47 PM
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Re: soulbuilder101
You mean Thomasine!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 6:36 PM
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Sannhet
In the comments, I practically did a part 2 of the post! My words were to the effect that belief/unbelief is a false dichotomy. It is really good and evil. I also stated that people accepting labels like Believer/ atheist only entrap themselves in a false reality. This is clear as one cleans and just 'sees', uncolored by beliefs, labels and the like! Thanks!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 6:35 PM
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soulbuilder101
you know me I am a doubting Thomas
posted by
Lanetay
on October 5, 2007 at 5:34 PM
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SB -
I've got some atheist friends who are some of the most moral, positive, loving people I know. Much more so then some religious friends I have.
posted by
sannhet
on October 5, 2007 at 5:22 PM
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Re: Re: Brian
Thanks Brian! Because of your inner link with God, cosmetic religion becomes a hindrance. Christianity has some solid bedrock, but a lot of what is highlighted is for the benefit of religion not the individual himself. It is really a knowledge, a certainty.
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 1:49 PM
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Re: Re: Fys
I did define it as basically ' accepting' a piece of data without proof. So they squeezed in concepts of surrender and blind faith to make you do it. Spirituality is about the search of the individual. Guides or teachers can help, but they must be released as you grow into other consciousness. The internal guide, once connected with, takes over and leads you on. Outside help, always helps! Thanks FYS. I should have put all this in the post, but you see how lenghty it would have been.
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 1:41 PM
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Re: Brian
Maybe youre right. I'm sure God gave the right to men free will, and the right to make decisions. In a way my belief is a belief only for outsiders. For me is a knowledge. A certainity. Thanks me too.
posted by
Brian76
on October 5, 2007 at 11:59 AM
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Re: Fys
"It is not belief/unbelief that counts" Some would say, soul, it all depends upon how you define "belief".
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on October 5, 2007 at 11:50 AM
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Fys
Religion never comes up in my interaction in the outside world. I am not a fanatic. I never ask people their religious persuasion when I hang out or deal with them. I do have friends and acquaintances all caught up in survival issues, and who don't reveal their beliefs or lack of them. Yet , they all exhibit things like fairness, helping people and being gentle. That is what being human is all about. They can mis-label themselves as believers or non-believers if they wish, but the subject never arises. We don't join that club. Those who take sides in the belief or not club, deceive themselves. It is not belief/unbelief that counts but submission to some of the behavior- altering advice of scriptures, that changes you and makes you grow. Your personal link to the spirit and the guidance and experiences received, tells you that you are on the right path. With yogic methods, all the beliefs, attitudes , dreams and other 'hidden persuaders' are cleaned out so one can simply 'see', without flavoring or coloring. Am I a non-believer when I clean out? It is a false dichotomy that people accept, pick sides in, and then have a go at each other! The non-believers I speak of, apart from blogit, are out there, predators all of them. If they had chosen religion, they wouldn't be hunting my head, trying to install their game into my life, kicking me down whenever I try to stand and calling it a game. Belief/unbelief is all crap! It is about good and evil. My reference to those on blogit who label themselves as atheists or non-believers, are quite true! I don't need another cause to live or die for! Hope this explains my stance! Thanks!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 10:18 AM
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Re: White Elephant
Hi soul, while there is truth in your opinion regarding the ill-taste of belittling behavior by individuals on this site, I'd like to point out that I've seen this kind of behavior from members of EVERY religious group on this site. To blame Atheists for these kinds of behaviors is really not realistic. I know several Atheists in the physical world, and some have a very strict moral code, some do not. One is the most adamant and active Pro Lifer I've ever seen. Morality is about our interaction with humanity as much as it is about our faith in God.
Just because a person chooses to not believe in God does not make him or her any less human, any less susceptible to the evils thrust upon humanity by humanity on a daily basis.
Remember, we are not here to judge, but to "love"--meaning getting to know others as individuals, learning to understand one another through personal contact, and discussions of even the hard issues calmly without making generalizations. 
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on October 5, 2007 at 9:36 AM
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Riri....
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 8:59 AM
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White Elephant
On this site and in the outside world, they call themselves atheists and non-believers, slamming into people who introduce any religious or spiritual postulate. They are aggressive and totally snotty. They are always on the attack, and I swear that they must be predatory. There is no refinement to their personalities that I can detect as a sign of being at least good. They can believe, disbelieve, doubt to their hearts content. But trespass not! I stay away from them, but in the outer world they tresspass cunningly. Thanks!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 8:59 AM
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posted by
riri0322
on October 5, 2007 at 8:50 AM
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Brian
The belief I mentioned was a condition set on you. To accept the condition was to achieve the goal. For example, I was asked, ' Do you accept Jesus as your only personal saviour? Do you believe that the Bible is the word of God? Do you believe that Jesus died so we could be saved?etc. Then these creeps claimed that they have nothing to do, that Salvation is a done thing. How pompous! My earlier posts have some info on my spiritual experiences. I don't have to believe anything. I accept the truth of relationships with God! That is what matters! Thanks Brian.
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 8:47 AM
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Soul B
You raise very good points but I don't agree with you on the non-believers bit
"Those are the worst of the crop of evils we have to face." ... why should they be described as evil? they have a right to believe what they want! - Live and Let Live! that's what I say ...
posted by
White_Elephant
on October 5, 2007 at 8:37 AM
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Troosha
You are right. The love of Christ attracted me. When I see the handcuffs offered, I reply ' not this time or ever'! I was happy then and growing. All the conditionalities, I side -stepped. I was also being told that Sunday was the wrong sabbath day. I just did away with sabbaths. I rested and prayed as I wished. Then they would respond that I didn't believe in the Bible. Who cares! It is a book with tips. Tips I take I am thankful for! I don't have to follow the ritual of dunking my head in there and coming up 'holier than thou'!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 8:29 AM
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I think you miss the point
That you write maybe is true for some believers, but not all of them, that's sure.
To believe in Christ, or God it's surely not enough for salvation, and not believe in them doesn't mean that you go to hell automatically. Bible doesn't say neither. No one can think, that if one believs in God, one can commit any crime and still go to heaven. Nonsense.
Bilief is not something you can gain. It's something that God gives some, and some he doesn't. No one knows how he choose. One can searching for God, but will find only if God wants to be find by him/her. And hence believing can not be a condition for salvation.There are excellent people among nonbeliveres, and there are people, who claim them self christians, and commit horrible things.
Believers got sins just like non believers.
But you're wrong, when you think the believing is accepting something without proof. I was an atheist for the first 17 years of my life. And when Icame through it was by a shocking spiritual experienc that can not be associated with curches or peoples. I was fill with the holy spirit, I can not say other way. A kind of certainity engulfed me, that there is a God, there is Christ. And now you can not do or say a thing that could change this. So, while it's not a knowledge that you can share, it's much more then someone said that there is a God and I accepted without doubt. I get to know him in a sense.
But I also belive in what Camus wrote very lovely in his novel, Plague (I'm not sure what the correct English title, but you know which novel I mean): it's not that important whether someone is religious, as whether someone is good.
I don't like Christian snobs who despise others. We are equals, and to believe in God is not a merti but a gift.
posted by
Brian76
on October 5, 2007 at 8:20 AM
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Callista
I used to feel so while I was assessing. Now that is over. I owe loyalty to no single religion or creed. I take tips from all sources. Christianity has some solid tips and some solid holes too. My spiritual evolution counts, not my bonds to any religion or creed. I prefer people in religion because they, at least, are trying. But when they show me handcuffs, that is where, I begin to illuminate!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 8:19 AM
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mariaki
In my youth, I was not not mentally coerced to become a Catholic. I was drawn to the love of Christ. We revelled in his mercy and compassion. We learnt Catholic Social Ethics. We obeyed the commandments and delighted in helping others. We were encouraged to seek and find. We did. Then all the Protestant religions came into town with their oratory. Their tents were replaced by permanent buildings, as the money rolled in. Their customers dared tell us that we were unclean and unwashed and so unsaved. I cringed whenever I was told I was an un-believer! The barely literate 'saved', strutted their egos and programming, with nice leather-bound editions. I have been to many churches to search: seventh day adventist, OpenBbible, Jehovah Witnesses etc. They each try to make themselves different.... different editions, different 'beliefs', different sabbaths etc. Yet same rhetoric!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 8:11 AM
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Soul
I find solace in the fact that there’s a middle ground – that place between those who believe Jesus is their personal savior and those with no moral grounding. And in that “zone” lies a multitude of people who connect, seek, stretch, or embrace the higher power that spins their world. Spirituality is a continual journey. Religion is often a misguided, doctrine driven landing pad for the faint of heart.
posted by
Troosha
on October 5, 2007 at 8:09 AM
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7stars
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 7:49 AM
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Antonio.......
Thanks! I should have expanded, but it was going to be too long!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 7:49 AM
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richinstore
Thanks guy!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 5, 2007 at 7:48 AM
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posted by
Amanda__
on October 5, 2007 at 7:01 AM
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i feel like a drunk on the path, from one side to the other, sometimes
stumbling off the edge, having to climb back on
posted by
callista22001
on October 5, 2007 at 6:24 AM
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While I tend to disagree with a couple of the generalizations made, I completely agree with you that belief does not carry the weight that so many think it does. Sure, it's important to our overall spiritual wellness, but it's not the ONLY important factor in our spiritual wellness.
BTW, I tossed my hat in this ring. hope you have a look!
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on October 5, 2007 at 6:12 AM
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A very interesting piece although I beg to differ on a couple of the basic
points of view - the debate was had in my head! Thank you
posted by
mariaki
on October 5, 2007 at 3:52 AM
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great
posted by
star4sky5
on October 5, 2007 at 3:37 AM
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Some very good points!
posted by
Antonionioni
on October 5, 2007 at 12:30 AM
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soul
thanks for sharing
posted by
richinstore
on October 4, 2007 at 11:33 PM
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