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Re: Naut on Religion...Part V
Thanks, Wavy...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 2, 2007 at 4:37 AM
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Naut on Religion...Part V
Nautikos: This is what I love about Greek philosophers or just philosophers in general. They are always searching for the truth or the Sun. It's an inquiry that is eternal.
posted by
WavyDavy
on September 30, 2007 at 10:36 AM
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Re: HAHAHAHA, Nautikos, I'm glad you don't take offense.
TAPS! Moi? Take offense? Never....
posted by
Nautikos
on September 30, 2007 at 4:57 AM
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Re: TAPS
Krisles, you can do no wrong...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 30, 2007 at 4:56 AM
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HAHAHAHA, Nautikos, I'm glad you don't take offense.
posted by
TAPS.
on September 29, 2007 at 5:46 PM
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TAPS
And, I smart-assed into it, referring to my screw up on my comment to him.....must have been something in the air!
posted by
Krisles
on September 29, 2007 at 5:42 PM
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Enigmatic
Thanks, I appreciate the thought! And I'm sure you deserve to be blessed more than I...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 29, 2007 at 5:12 PM
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Naut
If there is a God, may he bless you...but may he bless ME, even more - LOL! (The possibility of an inegalitarian God?) 
I know, I'm off the subject, but it just happens, sometimes - 
posted by
Enigmatic68
on September 29, 2007 at 1:55 PM
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Re: What about Plato, Nautikos?
TAPS, it was just my (smart-ass,
) way of saying that I know a lot more about Plato, his
Dialogues, etc., than I know about Paul...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 28, 2007 at 5:46 PM
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What about Plato, Nautikos?
posted by
TAPS.
on September 28, 2007 at 5:31 PM
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Re: Plato?
Plato or Socrates, Krisles, and even Aristotle...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 28, 2007 at 4:34 PM
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EX
Well, I certainly hope you don't leave! I am not that concerned about the quantity of the response, but the quality...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 28, 2007 at 4:33 PM
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Plato?
posted by
Krisles
on September 28, 2007 at 4:27 PM
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TAPS
Thanks! I must confess that I don't know what Paul said on Mars Hill - I didn't even know he ever made it to Athens! Now, ask me about Plato...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 28, 2007 at 4:20 PM
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Naut
I am pleased that you get such a response to so sophisticated a discourse. Sometimes, I am tempted to leave Blogit. I have begun to conclude that my posts will not attract enough interest to make my continuation worth the while.
posted by
EX_TURPI
on September 28, 2007 at 8:20 AM
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Nautikos
Again, very interesting. Your post made me think of the Apostle Paul in Greece about 400 years later and the speech that he made in Athens on Mars Hill. Like Socrates before him, in that speech (Acts 17) he did not mention paradise or hell or original sin, but what he did say is very important to believers of the Christian faith.
posted by
TAPS.
on September 28, 2007 at 7:35 AM
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Thanks, 7stars.
posted by
Nautikos
on September 28, 2007 at 4:40 AM
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posted by
star4sky5
on September 28, 2007 at 4:15 AM
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Re: You're a very good writer, "God bless you!"
Thanks, Ariala, I'll accept that in the spirit in which it is meant...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 27, 2007 at 6:56 AM
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Wiley
Philosophy means 'love of wisdom', and Socrates is both a proponent and an example of the idea that one can acquire a measure of wisdom through rigorous enquiry, though of course he maintained that he did not possess wisdom. Maybe in the end it is the search itself that matters...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 27, 2007 at 6:47 AM
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You're a very good writer, "God bless you!"
posted by
Ariala
on September 27, 2007 at 6:45 AM
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Re: Nautikos
Thanks, but this is of course not a review of the life and philosophy of Socrates. It is just about a tiny sliver of it, useful for my present purposes...But if what you read here sounds familar, he was an influence on you...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 27, 2007 at 6:39 AM
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Krisles
The distinction between 'Plato' and 'Socrates' is by no means clear! After all, we have to take his word(s) for it that S. said what he tells us he did. Socrates never wrote a word that we know of, his whole temperament apparently needed the lively exchange and repartee he found in debates with others, to be at his best...
The other source of our knowledge of Socrates is Xenophon, but we have the same problem there. How much is Xenophon himself? How much Socrates? It will always be a matter of debate.
And then there is Aristophanes, who ridicules Socrates in his play The Clouds, which for some strange reason I am always reminded of when I am flying above the clouds...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 27, 2007 at 6:32 AM
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Nautikos
Well now you're going to have me reading more philosophy, and I kind of like some of this agnosticism,
"No mention of ‘Paradise’ or ‘Hell’ here from this great agnostic, nor do we ever find any references to 'Original Sin'…"
I'm at that point where I like to think of it as another night's sleep, surrounded by sleeping friends.
Don't you ever stop sharing here my friend.
posted by
WileyJohn
on September 26, 2007 at 8:28 PM
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Nautikos
Excellent review of the life and philosophy of Socrates. Met his works a long time ago but I cannot know if he was an influence on me! From what I read here, it is possible! He seems to be an influence on a lot of philosophers!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on September 26, 2007 at 7:20 PM
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Nautikos
Thank you for being such a gentleman about my obvious, "DUH".....of course, you were writing about Socrates, and by the time I got over here to comment, I'd already spaced out into Plato! I am sooo sorry....I've told you I have ADD....handy excuse, huh? I hope you recognized curiosity, and not challenge in any form, about what you are writing....I still want to know how you remember all this, and I do find it fascinating and very informational....and, I guess the best word is, motivational.
...that's a bow....
posted by
Krisles
on September 26, 2007 at 6:33 PM
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Krisles
Thanks about your interesting comment, which does raise a lot of valid questions. These Dialogues are written by Plato, but I am treating Socrates (who was Plato's teacher) as as 'his own voice', as it were, particularly in the
Apology, since, as many people see it, especially
there Plato simply lets him speak without intruding. And Socrates' statement about death is certainly an 'agnostic' one. And generally, the whole spirit of most of the Dialogues is such that it is possible to speak of Socrates as an 'agnostic', i.e. as someone who 'doesn't know', since the whole tenor of his philosophy is oriented that way. Remember, agnosticism is not
denial. Nonethelss, it might be difficult to argue that Socrates was an agnostic in the contemporary sense...But I don't want to get into the thick of Plato's philosophy. After all, this is just a short post...
posted by
Nautikos
on September 26, 2007 at 5:02 PM
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Nautikos
Very interesting and, once again, makes me want to get back into some of these subjects myself.....especially since I wonder how different my reaction might be with the years behind me. I'm curious, didn't Plato believe in reincarnation and souls.....that doesn't seem to fit a true agnostic....of course, I could be think of someone else entirely....or, a dream...one never know with me!! And, also, how does agnosticism fit into those cultures that believed in "gods" of the sort you've been talking about (Pan, etc.)...does the term only apply to those who question just "One"....it's been a long day and I'm still at work, so forgive me if this makes nooooo sense. I did really enjoy it, as I have all the other posts in this series....how do you ever remember all this stuff!!!!!!!!!!
posted by
Krisles
on September 26, 2007 at 4:20 PM
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