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Re: A-and-B

It was not meant to create spin. Hope you get the gist!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 6, 2007 at 8:56 PM | link to this | reply

My head is spinning. Let me read this again slowly.

posted by A-and-B on September 6, 2007 at 6:14 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Dark Heart

I concur! Now is not a safe time for God's children. Caution is recommended. Of course, the day will come when such as us will live freely, and attuned to the most holy without fear of evil...They will have left us to inherit the Earth.

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 10:37 PM | link to this | reply

Re: I blocked him too.

He is nothing but a shifty posturer. I would have mauled him, figuratively speaking. Now the best way to deal with him is give him a dose  of his own poison. I will go on his blog and shake him down. If he blocks me....Mission accomplished! Thanks Tele.....!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 10:33 PM | link to this | reply

Thoughtful insight into a very touchy topic!

I must admit you hit on several points I agree with and when you say in order to experience God you have to try it definitely strikes a chord. In our daily life we meet evil in many forms, some easy to see, others well hidden. The only way to know is to recognize the goodness in ourselves that God has put there, or else we fall prey to those who seem innocent in their beliefs. As you say, caution is definitely needed. Good post!

posted by Dark_Heart on September 5, 2007 at 10:33 PM | link to this | reply

I blocked him too.

Of late his responses have become so hateful and vulgar that it has been virtually impossible to have any reasonable exchange with him whatsoever.   

posted by telemachus on September 5, 2007 at 10:15 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Sannhet

Hope it helped in some way!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 9:45 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Telemachus

Thanks for that Telemachus. He was stirring me up for battle. But I am injured and I did block him! Thank you again!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 9:43 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy

That is your OPINION.  I already know I understand English better than you.  After all I am not sure where I ever said it he was 100% wrong. So I have very right to say that I believe these posts are nonsense.

You are once more misquoting me it seems.  Very rude of you, like blocking me for speaking the truth. That is a very rude thing to do as well.

But let's not make this section into our little disagreement area.  You can come over to my posts and tell me your lies there and defend your lies there as well. I am starting to find your fear of my and the truth to be very amusing.

posted by kooka_lives on September 5, 2007 at 7:45 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka……it is not true that what he says makes little sense…

rather, it is that you are too hardened to attempt to understand it….it is not nonsense…….it is not 100% wrong…..people talk about God because they have something that is worthy of sharing….….young man, you really must stop being so rude to people!

posted by telemachus on September 5, 2007 at 7:28 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy

Like by not misquoting people, or writing posts that are nothing more than personal attacks filled with lies?

Take your own advice, I don't need it.

posted by kooka_lives on September 5, 2007 at 7:22 PM | link to this | reply

Soul B

I have no problem with how people find the spirituality they need to get by in life.  My problems comes from people who seem to think that because they found what hey needed in such things as belief in God, that everyone else needs to take that same path.

Helping people is a great thing and I do that daily without a belief in God.

I rarely leave comments on your posts, mostly because what you say makes little sense and holds no logic really.  But they are your views.  As long as you do not start saying stuff such as 'without God there is no spirituality', I will leave it be.  But when you say something that I see that has been proven to me to be 100% wrong, I'll leave a comment.

I do believe that most of what you say here is nonsense.  You go off on rants that prove nothing because most of it is all in your head.  That's fine and because you tell them al that 'God is great' you get a lot of believers telling you how right you are.  You could really write just about any nonsense with that as your central theme and get people who will tell you how great your posts are.

And of course now that everyone has seen that you and I disagree, you will be even more popular among the believers here.  They really dislike me greatly and some find the truth and facts I present to be rude and want to find ways to keep my from speaking my mind.

So understand that I if leave you a comment it will either be because I finally agree with something you have said (Which might happen, you never know), or because what you have said goes beyond basic faith and can be shown to be wrong, as is the case here.  If I see someone say something I know to be untrue, I will tell them it is not true.

Don't become a jerk like some of the bloggers I have had to deal with.  That is the best advice I can give you right now.  True to be good above being right.

posted by kooka_lives on September 5, 2007 at 7:19 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka.....that's fine with me so long as you do it politely and with basic

human decency.........

posted by telemachus on September 5, 2007 at 7:13 PM | link to this | reply

Oddy (aka telemachus)

Once more you seem to nt understand English.  I never said it was an insult to real spirituality to believe in God. I said it was an insult to believe that God is the only path to true spirituality.  Big difference there. 

Since unlike you I do not use lies and such, I can never be as rude as you.  While you may dislike my opinion and wish for my voice to not be heard, I will continue to speak the truth, use logic and reasoning in all that I say.  Even if you dislike such things.

posted by kooka_lives on September 5, 2007 at 7:05 PM | link to this | reply

SB -

A well thought out post that supports my belief in the mystic's approach to "God".

posted by sannhet on September 5, 2007 at 6:37 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka….it is not an insult to real spirituality to believe in God.

That is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard!  And stop referring to people’s posts as “nonsense”.  Your propensity for rudeness on this site is really starting to get out of hand.  

posted by telemachus on September 5, 2007 at 6:18 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Interesting

Thanks for frankly stating your opinion, Kooka. I can't help how you came by your convictions. When I click somebody and there is nothing I can identify with, I don't leave a comment. I have clicked you many times and done that. I live life by my convictions. Helping people is a great thing. Religion led me to that!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 6:02 PM | link to this | reply

Interesting

posted by kooka_lives on September 5, 2007 at 1:09 PM | link to this | reply

I have to admit this is difficult reading for me...but I enjoy reading your posts, either way.

Some things I understand...most of them I don't. So I don't like to opinionate...especially when I'm talking to someone who seems to know their stuff. LOL

But one thing that I do agree with is the fact that evil isn't found in the "Draculas" or other evil characters... "evil is in those smiling faces". I 100% agree with that. Evil doesn't show up as your enemy... it sneaks up as your friend and makes it impossible for you to live without it.

posted by Sheilah on September 5, 2007 at 12:23 PM | link to this | reply

Re:Troosha

For so many, dispensing with ego and uncluttering are so difficult. You have to recognize ego first. This for many, is the problem. Thanks for reading and the tip. I will catch up on reading later. These days I am embroiled in injury and insurance etc.

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 11:22 AM | link to this | reply

Soul

Basically, if want to experience God you don’t have to try that hard. Dispensing with ego and uncluttering one’s mind allows us to listen and feel. And for each of us what we hear or feel will vary in nature but it will be the whispers and the wind of some higher power. And in terms of the “crazy people”… I don’t think you necessarily have to move away from them (although distancing is prudent) you simply don’t have to drink their poison.

posted by Troosha on September 5, 2007 at 9:57 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Corbin

Interesting comment! Will have to research this when I am feeling better. Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 6:40 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Cynthia

Actually the word is EXPERIENTIAL not experimental! This means experience based. I appreciate your comments and info on the 'religion' gene. I did not take it seriously because DNA is physically based and Spirituality is consciousness based. Two different kettles of fish! Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 6:38 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Chyrlann

I am happy that you have connected to your source of inspiration. The experience is different on my side. This is understandable. We have different backgrounds and modes of living. God enters our lives, in spite of satan, to help us as he sees fit. Our lives may be scripted, but it is not God's doing..... or even the planetary alignments. Evil physically controls and God comes to our rescue. If you do not fight against satan, and win, then you are destined to join them!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 6:32 AM | link to this | reply

Chyrlann

I do not see good as opposite to evil, it is more a case of  insensible people unable to accept the light which would change them into good people. I think people exist on a scale of evil, confused and good. Evil serves no purpose except their own. They are not necessary to good people's lives or for the denotation of good people as 'good'. They hijack our lives into several 'twilight zones' and by the time we discover them, we have just lost so many years! Thanks for your comments. It is always good to hear from you.

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 6:10 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Good post, well-written.

I will attack this subject again. Thanks!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 5, 2007 at 5:56 AM | link to this | reply

It is told that Buddha, going out to look on life, was greatly daunted by death. "They all eat one another!" he cried, and called it evil. This process I examined, changed the verb, said, "They all feed one another," and called it good.  Charlotte Perkins Gilman:

posted by Corbin_Dallas on September 5, 2007 at 4:55 AM | link to this | reply

"Spirituality is an experimental science" seemed like an odd

but interesting opening line. Spirituality or religion in and of itself has nothing to do with science, experimental or otherwise. However if you regard anthropology as a "science", the study of human behavior using scientific methods, that is an area rich in the analysis of religious practice and belief in all cultures and there is a HUGE variation in spiritual practice and belief around the world today.

Another area of science that studies religion and belief is neuroscience and the study of the genome. There is evidence that there is a "religion gene". It has developed in us over time as part of our evolutionary past. Some of us have that as part of our genetic make-up and some of us don't. I am one of those that seems to be missing that religion gene. Humans have developed that gene because it filled some evolutionary purpose.

posted by Cynthia on September 5, 2007 at 4:15 AM | link to this | reply

D ON T Y O U JU ST HA T E IT W H E N SO ME ONE TA KE S UP

SO MUCH OF YOUR SPACE WITH THEIR COMMENTS!

posted by roadscross on September 5, 2007 at 12:38 AM | link to this | reply

One small important aspect of my belief I neglected to share;

I asked fervently in prayer, for many, many years; why do some go through tremendous trials and others do not? Why was I that infant while that monster was present, why was I chosen as that monster's prey, why was it me walking on the street that particular morning, why did I contract this virus or immune disorder that caused me such prolonged pain, why did I survive and not die, all four times? I know so many who have NEVER witnessed, and never will be witness to so many trials. Why do they glide through life when I have done nothing but stumble? His glorious, glorious answers (much like what you have stated here); Because you love me and in turn all others, because you chose to remember and in remembering, you knew you could trust I would always be within you, and in turn, knew WE would conquer the fear together, because you chose to live in order to witness your life. Because you do not fear bucking the system and will walk into the 'evil' head on, because this is where you see me, feel my presence, know you can reach for me.....until you are capable of reaching the understanding that I am present in your light as well as your darkness. Until this time, you stumbled!

Why was the Christ willing to die to witness his life as the truth? Why are you willing to battle evil with good? Why has your journey been so painful? What did you chose on this journey? I believe you are a witness as well.

This is why I have a small problem with writing in cyberspace, here. Although I know God will lead others to our witness here as well when they become seekers in their journey. I can be witness only by telling my story and holding others while they weep. I can not and will not give them instruction on how to find my truth. My truth is not their truth nor is it in God's timing.

When I connect with others in real time and space; I have a light that shines easily for anyone with eyes wide open to see. If they choose to be in my light, they will eventually ask about my life. I do not weep and sorrowfully explain the trials I've faced, I withness joyously rejoice in triumph with my life as living proof. 

I breathed life and life filled me with love to live, God’s creation from the earth and stars, all encompassing below, above. God filled me up to overflow when I had not need or want, it trickled down, some drank of it and found what God had brought to give. There is a want and need, of more ever than enough, for my cup has overflowed, I long to give more love.

I sat out many dances, for many, many years, until one day in all my peace and joy, felt his love overflowing and he asked for my hand to dance....and we've been dancing the most glorious waltz every since!

posted by roadscross on September 5, 2007 at 12:37 AM | link to this | reply

Wow! You said a whole lot here, and very well I might add!

I don't know what to say other than what I have heard from 'my' God; the answers to the questions I have asked. This being the only influence on 'my' beliefs and I do not use the word 'my' lightly because that is a question I posed early on and sought understanding of first of all. "Is God to me the same as to others? This is what was brought to light of 'my' understanding, from simple, moment to moment replies;

We have each chosen a journey (or will choose several), for our own specific purposes to reach an understanding of what separates us as human entities from the whole; becoming individual. Our purpose if then 'unremembered' until the time we choose to hear and to see our understanding from the words and eyes of our creator. Until that time we are feeling our way in the dark, not remembering our purpose. There is in 'my' understanding, specific purposes (even scientific) and by natural law for the opposition to good. Without 'evil' there could not be good as there would be no comparrison.

Each living cell is a universe within itself. Each cell, like the physical being as a mass of cells, by natural law is composed of negative and positive charges (good & evil). God holds the life in all that is living; in us and surrounding us, we as a portion of He and he as our life giving and maintaining force. We are separated by our own choosing and will return and if so chose, will separate again.

Regarding evil; I have no position in determining the purpose of another entity but we are all born from the same source; of God, from the whole, the Holy, we are all connected and in stating so, we will collide. I did not consciously chose to be hit by a truck, to be attacked, to battle ill health, etc., and God did not manufacture these occurances in my life, so WHAT or WHO was responsible for these evils? The evil must be present in order for the good to exist. We can call it Satan, evil spirits, whatever we believe but the fact remains, if there was not evil (negative) there could not be good (God, positive), one cannot exist without the other. We would have nothing to compare and in turn would have nothing individual to separate us from God.

I'm probably not making scense because this is 'my' truth and although I am sharing it with you, it is only my truth. Your truth holds the pathways of your journey. Your journey (although kindred) is not mine and mine is not that of another.

I have no time in my journey to attempt to convince another of my truth, nor would I choose to do so. God gives me 'my' truth as I am capable of receiving my truth and God tells me...his, is not your story, his story is history. We each create our own legacy to serve our purpose in God, separated from God, to one day return to our creator understanding what purpose we served in God's plan for each and what destiny we chose within God's plan for the greater of the whole, or to glorify our creator.

I would not say, there is no evil. I could say by any other way, call evil by any name; negative force, bad Karma based upon the laws of reaping, based upon the natural law of reciprocity, based upon God's natural law of balance or I could call it Satan, or the Devil or evil spirits. It is evil, the opposition to good, by any name and yes it is present and must be, for without evil there could not be good, for everything in existance has a counter balance.

I pray in sharing my believe, it is not offensive to you. I hold you in the highest esteem and regard.

posted by roadscross on September 5, 2007 at 12:00 AM | link to this | reply

Good post, well-written.

I remained unconvinced that evil exists - in fact I am not an atheist but an agnostic. I think evil is a concept from our own human perspective - although no doubt there is 'dog evil' and even 'fish evil' as well in much simpler form. Other concepts I am not sure actually exist include time, and most ideas that are not tangible objects. Nietzsche wrote well on the meaninglessness of most of our words. However, I accept the possibility that evil does exist and that I m not aware of this. Obviously a murderer's actions are evil, but using the adjective is different from using the noun, 'evil,' suggesting evil has corporeal reality. Interested to hear more from you on this.

posted by Antonionioni on September 4, 2007 at 11:56 PM | link to this | reply

Cantey 1975

I say DITTO!

posted by Soul_Builder101 on September 4, 2007 at 10:48 PM | link to this | reply

"Basically, if you want to experience God you have to try."

good line. And good post.

posted by calmcantey75 on September 4, 2007 at 10:09 PM | link to this | reply