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Just because I think your glorious chimp-in-chief is a walking mouthpiece
for Cheney and a political moron doesn't mean you're right, Corbin. Cowboy diplomacy and bull-in-the-china-shop policy implementation is beneficial to no one. This isn't about cahones, Corbin. It's about doing what will be beneficial to the United States in the long run. What we have now is nothing more than sustained damage control, chasing a guerilla insurgency around Iraq. Petraeus is an intelligent man, a good militay leader. The military victories that are occuring are only short-term. Even Petraeus knows it. Its about the political situation. The Iraqis aren't going to man-up to their responsibilities and the United States is seen as occupiers. Leaving isn't going to hurt us; we'll be two doors down in Afghanistan, where we can oversee the region and operate from a position of strength -- which, by the way, we may not have if we continue to waste resources in Iraq and allow the Taliban to continue to regroup. The Bush administration's ridiculous idealism, thier "making the world safe for democracy" mentality, has gotten us nowhere by more despised by the world, has not done anything to increase the security of the United States, and has destabilized Iraq and the Middle East and become a rallying point for extremism not only in the Middle East but the rest of the world as well. And lumping me in with a bunch of wimpy liberals, you do me a disservice. I am a firm beleiver in a strong military and that we are better suited to strategic/surgical operations. Iraq was and continues to be a mistake, despite progress on Petraeus' part. Notice the difference in Afghanistan, the level of resistance to the American occupying presence there. Spin it any way you want, Iraq was and is a f**king nightmare, politically and militarily. People talk about our duty and honor -- what bullshit, we gave up the claim to both when Bush invaded Iraq under false pretenses. And it doesn't matter what Americans think about it, Corbin; it matters what the rest of the Middle East thinks about it. We can leave; they'll still have to deal with it, all of it, what was there before we invaded and what is left after we've gone. Bush policy -- idealism and misdirection. Stupidity with a title...
posted by
saul_relative
on September 9, 2007 at 9:01 AM
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You don't get it and you never will.......
Thank heavens you people are not in power..........and lord willing you won't be in spite of your orgasmic anticipation levels......when it comes time to vote for the person to be Commander in Chief, the people will pick someone with cahones.....which no one on your side seems to have. The closest you guys come to having that someone is Hillary, and she qualifies because her testosterone levels are higher that any of the male Left.........LOL
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on September 9, 2007 at 5:38 AM
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Yeah, spanish dragon. Just like the Vietnamese all came over and
attacked us after we left. Fighting stupid wars in backward countries devalues your international credibility. Look what it has done for France. Where the hell do you guys get the idea that we're fighting the terrorists over there in Iraq, when they're being arrested all over the damned planet (Germany, Denmark, France, Spain, Morocco, England, Scotland, Miami, Atlanta, New York, Canada, Australia, Indonesia). That's the real war, not that asinine conflict Der Facilitator got us involved in and refuses to get us out of. We're fighting a handful of terrorists in Iraq. We're fighting militias and Baathists and separatists and nationalists and Iraqis who just want us to get the hell out of thier country. The war on terror, on non-state terrorist groups around the world, will go on no matter if we're refereeing a damned civil war in Iraq or not. Iraq is a dead end, a misdirection, a political mistake, and a waste of our military's time.
posted by
saul_relative
on September 8, 2007 at 6:40 PM
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Corbin, the man's a moron, and so are his speechwriters. And he doesn't
have a clue. We're fighting al Qaeda all over the world, not to mention other terrorist groups. The insurgency in Iraq is not the same thing, no matter how much the Decider says it is. And when it's all said and done, whether we are there or not, we are still going to be fighting them "over here", just like we have been for the past several decades. What the Decider can't get through his bumbling head is that a decision he made -- to invade Iraq -- turned out to be such a godawful mistake and Iraq will never be America, Junior.
posted by
saul_relative
on September 8, 2007 at 6:28 PM
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Repetitive yes
but not the dumbest thing. I agree with Bush. Fight them over there. If we walk out of there the barbarians will take it as an invitation to come over here and defeat the cowards they would like to think we are.
posted by
spanish_dragon
on September 8, 2007 at 1:17 PM
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Whoa!
This sounds like the Kumbaya Campfire circle........I see nothing wrong with the statement and it's the truth......
Kevin...you might as well give it up......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on September 8, 2007 at 12:22 PM
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We may all wish that by the time November 2008 rolls around, TAPS...
posted by
saul_relative
on September 8, 2007 at 12:16 PM
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Saul_relative
I think I need a high cliff from which to view the sea of politics and just stay out of the reach of the political sharks all wanting a piece of my vote.
posted by
TAPS.
on September 8, 2007 at 12:01 PM
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I have to concur with Xeno-x on this one, Kevin. I understand the ideas
behind the president's misguided ideology. However, we are not dealing with a positioned enemy here. And let's get this thing out in the open as well: the terrorists and the insurgents and Iran are all different things. Regardless of what we do in Iraq, we are going to be dealing with worldwide extremist terrorists forever. Iraq will not change that. The insurgents and militias and militant religious groups fighting each other and the Coalition forces in Iraq are not terrorists. They may commit terrorist-like acts at times, but they are not the same thing as al Qaeda, which has a very limited, miniscule role in Iraq, which is to disrupt everything and make the U.S. look like an uncaring and anti-Islamic occupation force. The only thing we're doing in Iraq at present is holding off an inevitable civil war and a potential regional war. And you don't have to worry about fighting them over here. The one's we'll have to fight over here are already over here or will come in small groups over time, as they always have. That "over here" crap is simple fear-mongering propaganda. How many ships and planes have you ever seen mobilized by al Qaeda or any other terrorist group or nation? It ain't happening, dude...
posted by
saul_relative
on September 6, 2007 at 10:44 PM
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Re: At least we are still fighting them overseas...
kevin, kevin, kevin . . .
they are getting exactly what they want -- our country in a war that distracts us from the real issues and threats around the world. and they didn't even have to do anything.
the only real reason i can see for the U.S. toppling Saddam is his threatening Israel. 90% of the Arab world has a problem with Israel as a nation.
Christian conservatives, like our president, on the other hand, support Israel because they believe that the Temple will be built and the Abomination of Desolation will "reside in the Hold Place" and then Christ will come.
Any country that threatens Israel, then, is fair game.
But these terrorists have no borders. If they want to strike at us, they will do as they did on 9/11: plan a strike within our borders. What we are doing is hurting our own country every day we are in Iraq. Morale, economic health, etc. We can cause our own downfall frittering away our resources there. Then they certainly will have won.
We get out as soon as possible and we can save our country. We need to work out some reconciliation among the various parties over there so that there will be no civil war.
However, I believe they can take care of Al Qaeda and others such groups all by themselves. Our presence has brought those groups into our country.
I could go on and on about the bad feelngs toward the U.S. throughout Iraq and the Arab World, but that is so obvious, it speaks for itself.
We have strengthened and emboldened Al Qaeda by our very presence, not harmed them very much at all.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 6, 2007 at 3:49 PM
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At least we are still fighting them overseas...
He may have goofed a bit on his wording, but his sentiment is correct. If we withdraw from Iraq before it's secure (as Pres. George H. W. Bush did in the Persian Gulf), then we'll just be sending our troops back in 10 or 20 years to start all over again from scratch... or we'll be fighting them in a few months on American soil. In war, a good offense on the away team's field is much better than having to play defense on home field. We need to finish the job before coming home.
posted by
Kevin_Lauer
on September 6, 2007 at 2:33 PM
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And some people voted for him twice, Straightforward. Don't you just love
the people stupid enough to continue sporting their Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers? Stupid is as stupid does, Forrest always tells us!!!
posted by
saul_relative
on September 6, 2007 at 6:00 AM
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thesearemystories: See? See?
posted by
saul_relative
on September 6, 2007 at 5:58 AM
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What a justification for invasion, occupation, war!
posted by
Straightforward
on September 5, 2007 at 6:44 PM
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umm. . . .WHAT??
posted by
thesermystories
on September 5, 2007 at 5:08 PM
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My mother says disparagingly about Bush, "He walks like an ape."
posted by
saul_relative
on September 5, 2007 at 3:12 PM
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The bandy-legged buffoon.
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 4, 2007 at 11:44 PM
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Uh-oh, our survival, Soul Builder? I don't know if I can deal with the
pressure. I mean, look what it's done to the president...
posted by
saul_relative
on September 4, 2007 at 11:10 PM
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you're right, M. And what is it with him just begging to give pundits more
ammunition? Jesus, dude, go throw some hay and shut the hell up already!!
posted by
saul_relative
on September 4, 2007 at 11:08 PM
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Saul R........
Keep doing what you do Brother! Our survival is at stake!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on September 4, 2007 at 10:47 PM
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I thought it was pretty funny that, after leaving office, he plans to tour the world, making speeches.
Who the hell would be the audience for that? I can't imagine even his staunchest supporters actually wanting to sit in an auditorium for a couple hours, and listen to his "lectures".
I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff,
then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go,
"What was THAT?!"
posted by
Mademoiselle
on September 4, 2007 at 10:10 PM
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