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lindo
I realize that Islamo-fascism is a threat to many moderate Muslims as well. But their silence disturbs me...
posted by
Nautikos
on August 6, 2007 at 4:37 PM
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Hi Nautikos
it may be hard to believe it but the rise of fundamentalism is a threat to Muslims and not just to Weterners. I know of no-one who would like to live under the mercy of people like the fanatics of the Red Mosque. Establishing a utopia is one thing but dragging us back into the Dark Ages is a frighteneing prospect that is just as grim as the idea of terrorist attacks.
posted by
lindo
on August 3, 2007 at 3:51 PM
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Re: Nautikos, I am late getting to this, but just finished reading it to Max.
Thanks for your comments, muser! Yes, there will be more on this topic, much more...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 27, 2007 at 4:56 AM
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Nautikos, I am late getting to this, but just finished reading it to Max.
You two have much in common, and if y'all could just get together with Dallas Corbin, and
wiley john, and Justi maybe some positive changes toward getting the world straightened out might begin to occur; but, alas...as Max says nobody from Washington is calling on him for any advice, help, etc. We hope you won't ever give up calling attention to this subject, your clarion call as it were, and that you will continue to shout above the "deaf" crowd...
as for the tremendous amount of attention Paris Hilton and her shallow, mindless, and immoral peers get for being shallow, mindless, and immoral...well, THAT scares me and I am almost fearless!
posted by
muser
on July 26, 2007 at 5:49 AM
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OTA
Yes! I could not have said it better myself...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 13, 2007 at 4:24 AM
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Naut,
That "wide range of views" on this subject in the west is what is going to kill our way of life. Everyone is so busy discussing the why's, when's, how's and what if's of the terrorists that no collective school of thought is being formulated. The passion that the terrorists have to accomposh their agenda is what is missing IMHO in our desire to address this threat to our way of life inthe west. We in the west make comments like..ignorance, confusion, apathy and or terrorism is
going to be a problem.. it is not going to be a problem..
IT IS A PROBLEM!!! ~Peace, OTA
posted by
Blue_feathers
on July 12, 2007 at 7:33 AM
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saul
whatever 'complicity' (I would call it shortsightedness) of our political leaders has contributed to the current state of affairs is in a sense irrelevant, as you yourself understand.
Beyond that, there are some absolutely fundamental differences between the religous right in the US and Islamo-fascism...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 12, 2007 at 6:37 AM
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RaeS
Thanks for your detailed comment. You're touching on a number of interesting points, and to give you an adequate response would require a separate post. So let me just say that I agree with some of your points, but must also say that some of them are irrelevant to the issue...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 11, 2007 at 8:49 PM
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Corbin
definitely, that is at least part of it...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 11, 2007 at 8:41 PM
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Re: Naut I wish I could say different but I can't. I have had a neck full of al
Yes, Kabu, I think we are in danger, or at least our way of life is, and I am very pessimistic...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 11, 2007 at 8:39 PM
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I find the complicity of our political leaders in the rise of these
religious zealots disgusting to say the least. Still, that having been said, denying that they exist will not be productive either. Just like the Iraq War -- it's there, regardless of how it was created, and now must be dealt with. Ignoring the rapid rise of Islamic fundamental extremism will be as big a mistake as ignoring the rise of the fundamentalist evangelical religious right in the United States.
posted by
saul_relative
on July 10, 2007 at 11:40 PM
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Different Grains, Perspective
As a believer and supporter of human rights not only in this country, but worldwide, I have been appalled and disgusted for years by the willingness of my government - left, right, center lane, no matter - to look away from the abuse and oppression of women in countries ruled by theocratic extremists - namely the radical Islamic crown worn by Saudi Arabia's Sunni leaders. The country where 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers came from, where bin Laden came from..the country whose royal family enjoys a long term, warm and personal and for quite some time, a complex and tangled business relationship with the Bush family. We are told Saudi Arabia is an ally in the war on extremism...hmmm. During Reagan's 8 years in power, the CIA secretly sent billions of dollars of military aid to the mujahedeen in Afghanistan, giving rise to jihadist/murderer bin Laden. Clinton and pre-9-11 Bush administration extended friendly offerings to the Taliban, another vicious, terroristic leadership structure. Seems to me the support: intended, unintended, past and present, etc., for radical, violent extremism doesn't fall neatly into political divides. I think grains of "why" or "who" can be found in experiences such as this:
FBI counter-terrorism expert John O'Neill left the bureau in 2001, complaining that U.S. oil interests were hindering his investigation into al-Qaida. (O'Neill, who became security chief at the World Trade Center, died in the Sept. 11 attack.)
posted by
Katray2
on July 9, 2007 at 7:10 PM
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Naut.......
Perhaps, they, being the left, have taken up the banner "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"???
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on July 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM
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Naut I wish I could say different but I can't. I have had a neck full of al
fundamentalist movements. Of bigotts and my way or no way thinking. I believe the world is in terrible danger and all it is taking is for a few good men( and women) to do nothing.
posted by
Kabu
on July 9, 2007 at 4:47 PM
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Troosha
you're so right...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 9, 2007 at 4:29 PM
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TAPS
I shall keep on bringing it up, even in the face of monumental indifference...
posted by
Nautikos
on July 9, 2007 at 4:28 PM
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Naut
Maybe we focus on the Paris Hiltons because it doesn't require passion, thought, and taking a stance. Mindless is easy.
posted by
Troosha
on July 9, 2007 at 10:56 AM
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Nautikos
I'm glad that you continue to write on this subject now and then because I'm afraid that I am like Gershman in that I "have no expertise as interpreter of Islam".....and am "disoriented and lost in dealing with Muslims" other than to smile and say hello as I do to anyone else.
posted by
TAPS.
on July 9, 2007 at 8:36 AM
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