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Thanks very much for that, Troosha.
Yes, i think you're right, in the full sense of loving someone else, although we can admire them and fancy them even if we don't love ourselves - again, the many different varieties of 'love'...
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 14, 2007 at 10:27 AM
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Hi Pelagus - you are quite right to point this out. To a large degree
I agree with your reservations about loving ourselves. But whether we admire or like ourselves, i think you'd have to agree that we always want the best for ourselves, that we always care about ourselves and what happens to us and our families and our things. Take a mother's love (which i wasn't able to fit in the sonnet, or a father's love - assuming it is there in the first place) - this is unconditional even when the child is disappointing in their personality and behaviour. We may break our own hearts at how we have turned out, but we still love ourselves, even if it is a bitter love. There's a lot more that can be said about this and it deserves separate treatment! Thanks for your comments!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 14, 2007 at 10:25 AM
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Hi there, Munih!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 14, 2007 at 10:21 AM
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Hi OTA - yes, it's so interesting to think about, and your poems have
covered it very well recently!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 14, 2007 at 10:17 AM
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Ha ha, thanks MC - I meant to cover as many different scenarios as
possible in this sonnet - from selfish love to selfless, from successful to unsuccessful, as 'differing luck' for instance implies. Also, my stuff usually has a humorous slant to it, and this is no exception. The starting point was simply to decide what love is, but I realise it differs in as many diffrent ways as there are people! Thanks for the mail! Will read and reply shortly!!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 14, 2007 at 10:14 AM
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posted by
NAJWA
on June 14, 2007 at 9:32 AM
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Tony
Can't love another unless we love ourselves otherwise its as though we're hoping that other person will fill a hole within us. This sonnet was fabulous!!!!!
posted by
Troosha
on June 14, 2007 at 9:08 AM
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hi tony!
does everyone really loves themselves? i find it to be the hardest thing to do... & cannot do it with myself. On ce again, very nice words, love is quite a mesmerizing feeling...
posted by
pelagus
on June 14, 2007 at 8:55 AM
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posted by
Munih
on June 14, 2007 at 4:16 AM
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I love to think about love.. its when I do my best thinking.
~Peace
posted by
Blue_feathers
on June 14, 2007 at 4:08 AM
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and...
good on you for giving your marriage a second chance, many would have given up. So that is a plus already! I hope I don't come out all wrong. I sent you
and hope to hear how you are getting on. All the best! (you have not changed your plans, have you? or did I put my big foot in it... if so, i apologize in advance...).
posted by
marieclaire66
on June 14, 2007 at 3:44 AM
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Tony...
you are going to have more faith than that in relationship if you are going to make it work. Optimism is not synonymous with Polyanna and realism does not equate cynicism. I can assure you that there are many happily married couples out there, okay, it is not perfect but they are out there! it is funny...well it is not the right word, but when we are hurting we only other hurting people around us, and if we are happy, we tend to notice the happy people more... well, may be I am speaking for myself. I am an eternal optimist, despite having being burnt a few times. You have to believe in love Tony, otherwise you don't stand a chance. I am no fool and I know life is not easy, but I know some people are in happy relationships, so why not you, or me or anyone wishing for happiness for that matter. I don't mean to lecture, and I hope I don't sound holier-than-thou or sanctimonious, but I just want to say, you are caring person and I know you will do all you can to make it work this time and if your wife is equally determined I cannot see why it should not work.
Sorry to be so long, I wish you all the best!
don't you ever give up hope!
posted by
marieclaire66
on June 14, 2007 at 3:41 AM
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Hi Star! Thanks!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 14, 2007 at 12:45 AM
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Hi Dark Mistress - yes, we are all looking for it, or hoping for it!
I suppose the best chance we've got is to get out there and do something that allows us to meet people. i met my current wife when doing a bit of part-time taxi-driving!!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 14, 2007 at 12:42 AM
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powerful.
posted by
star4sky5
on June 13, 2007 at 9:45 PM
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I'm hoping at some point I find real love. But aren't we all? I figure with all the crappy relationships I've had at such at an early age that I'm due for some good luck......Excellent poem
posted by
dark_mistress
on June 13, 2007 at 7:12 PM
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Hi E - no, I don't think we seek the pain, but we know that with the
pleasure we will almost certainly get some pain. It's like, the penalty for sex is childbirth - a very painful process, followed by years of duty looking after that child - the pleasure is the hook that ends with severe pain followed by years of slavery! Don't get me wrong, I love kids, especially my own, but only a fool would claim it was all easy and all sweetness and light. And the same is true of most relationships. What goes up often has to come down - only a small minority retain the initial euphoria for more than a year or so - certainly not for their whole lives. There's usually heartbreak waiting down the line, even if that heartbreak is soon recovered from. Some people are junkies for the whole up and down process. A long answer!! Thanks for the question!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 13, 2007 at 2:13 PM
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Tony
Are we truly seeking the pain, or just accepting the fact, that it comes with the territory? 
posted by
Enigmatic68
on June 13, 2007 at 1:36 PM
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Just popping off for tea now - see you later!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 13, 2007 at 12:43 PM
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I thought so, Chili, cos yesterday you signed off for bed earlier than
I expected. Are you in the eastern area of SA, then?
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 13, 2007 at 12:39 PM
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Re: Chili, what time is it where you are? - here it's 8.30pm TONY ...
We are just an hour ahead ...
posted by
Chilitree
on June 13, 2007 at 12:38 PM
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Silly but right! See, I know you quite well!!!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 13, 2007 at 12:36 PM
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Chili, what time is it where you are? - here it's 8.30pm
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 13, 2007 at 12:35 PM
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Tony - Ha, ha, ha! You silly man! :)
posted by
FoliageGold
on June 13, 2007 at 12:32 PM
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Re: Hi Chili - thanks, mate! Tony ...you are welcome!
posted by
Chilitree
on June 13, 2007 at 12:31 PM
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Hi Chili - thanks, mate!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 13, 2007 at 12:30 PM
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Hi Mary - and I'm smart, too, because when I knew that I would use that
word, I knew immediately that you would know in advance that I would use it. Yes, you in particular, cos you are a smart cookie who like me loves her peas!
posted by
Antonionioni
on June 13, 2007 at 12:29 PM
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Very honest...
posted by
Chilitree
on June 13, 2007 at 12:29 PM
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Tony
posted by
FoliageGold
on June 13, 2007 at 12:26 PM
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Tony - Oops pushed the wrong button........
Nicely done. I read those words, 'stuck' and 'luck' and knew that fudge word was coming.
No fooling me as I'm as smart as a pea?
I enjoy thinking about love, too, all the forms it takes. Nice musings, Tony.
posted by
FoliageGold
on June 13, 2007 at 12:00 PM
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Hi Tony!
posted by
FoliageGold
on June 13, 2007 at 11:57 AM
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