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What a deep and impressive message light for common the true change, whoa!
posted by
Mystereo
on March 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM
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Thank you, brother afzal
posted by
cpklapper
on April 16, 2007 at 6:21 AM
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Thank you, Kabu
for your iconic affirmation, flower and smile.
Carl Peter
posted by
cpklapper
on April 16, 2007 at 5:50 AM
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Key words and phrases come from the English portion of my fits
I would have quite the output indeed if I could make heads or tails of the rest of the stuff I say.
BTW, most people's understanding of the Bible at that time was through speech and pictures. An example of the latter, even much later, is the use of the stained-glass windows in the Cathedrals to teach the Bible to the illiterate masses of Europe.
Want to know a really amazing scientific miracle? Look at Psalm 22 , "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?", which Our Lord Christ Jesus quoted on the cross. Realize that this was written by King David, a personage you would have to agree was not well versed in medicine. And yet that Psalm gives clinically accurate description of the physiology of crucifixion. It takes your breath away.
Carl Peter
posted by
cpklapper
on April 14, 2007 at 8:19 PM
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True, proc, countries, no less than mankind, have sinned
and fallen short of the glory of God.
posted by
cpklapper
on April 14, 2007 at 7:47 PM
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carl peter ..you make me smile ..so
ARE YOU WRITING YOUR POETRY DURING EPILEPTIC FIT MY FRIEND
AND AS YOU SAID BEFORE IT IS SATANIC VERSE DO YOU THINK THAT SATAN WILL CALL FOR GOOD THINGS NOW YOPUT TELL ME THAT NOTHING THERE IS GOOD MY DEAR MOST OF THE THINGS WHICH BIBLE CALL FOR IT KORAN AND ALL BOOKS CALL FOR IT ...
THEN MOHAMMED NEVER READ NEVER WRITE DON'T KNOW ANY THING ABOUT BIBLE ..SO HOW HE GOT ALL THESE DETAILS .....HOW HE WROTE ABOUT A SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES WHICH NOW THEY ARE DISCOVERING ...WE WILL WRITE ABOUT THESE THINGS FRIEND POINT BY POINT ABOUT THE THUMB PRINT IT'S MENTION IN QURAAN ABOUT THE FETUS DEVELOPMENT MENTION IN KORAN ..I WILL NOT SAY TO YOU MY WORDS BUT I WILL TELL YOU WESTERN AND AMERICAN SCHOLARS WHO PROVE THAT +MANY THING LATER TO BE CONTINUED ....AND IT'S JUST STRANGE WHY SATAN HE DIDN'T COME AGAIN FOR YOU OR OTHERS WHO HAS EPILEPTIC FIT ..TO BE CONTINUED
posted by
drohan254
on April 3, 2007 at 10:44 PM
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Islam, like Muhammed, is a mixed bag
Unfortunately, the two major sects arose out of a succession quarrel, so its worst features are its most prominent. The Sufis are loving and therefore holy.
Christians refer to Jesus as "Christ Jesus", "Lord", "Lamb of God", etc. and when praying, end with "in Jesus' name". You should know, for future reference, that to refer to Jesus as merely a prophet is very insulting to a Christian and is not remedied by mumbling "peace be unto him" after.
It is a curious habit among many Muslims that when someone says anything against their religion or their "prophet", evenly mildly critical, they assume that the criticism is motivated by hatred or anger. I know that it is not the case with me and probably the case with most critics of Islam. Like I said, Muhammed is a mixed bag, there are some good things there, but he loses me and every Christian when he takes up the sword.
Generally speaking, war was not waged against women and children, but they were taken prisoner and enslaved when the menfolk were defeated on the battlefield. Since Christ Jesus specifically eschewed battle and power lust, enslavement by battle is decidedly un-Christian. No such reservations exist in Islam. Indeed, there is the further enslavement brought on by onerous taxes on Christians and Jews. Thus, the Qu'ran and Islam led to the rise of the Muslim slave trade, one portion of which was to enslave Africans who were then sold to unscrupulous Western slave traders for transport to the Americas. One of the latter repented and left the slave trade to become a Christian and memorialized his conversion to Christian in the hymn "Amazing Grace".
I am curious as to what is the criteria of "authentic historical books", especially since authenticity in the West is based first on primary sources, with history books being a poor third. There is also no necessity of being a Christian, or a Jew, in order to be a scholar or specifically a historian in the West.
The Qu'ran is, of course, a recitation and it is not unusual among illiterate peoples to compose and remember long poems and stories when they can not read a word of it. Homer, remember, was blind when he composed the Iliad and the Odyssey.
Read descriptions of Muhammed's inspiration for Surahs of the Qu'ran and you tell me whether it doesn't look alot like "the falling sickness". Certainly, Dostoevsky, also an epileptic, recognized it. Being one myself, of the milder TS kind, it makes Muhammed a more sympathetic character. It appears that St. Paul was also with his blinded by the light on the way to Damascus and his "speaking in tongues more than all of you" and I certainly identify with his preference for "five words of understanding".
I hope I have cleared up some of your confusion.
In His Love,
Carl Peter
posted by
cpklapper
on April 3, 2007 at 9:26 PM
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Carl Peter - I am really ASTONISHED at your total ignorance of ISLAM-
it's true history, and of the prophet Muhammed (pbuh)(an epileptic?). Many sincere Chritian scholars would DISAGREE with you. Question: Where did you source your info from? ALL true Christian scholars of the Holy Books agree that Muhammed(pbuh) could NEVER have written the Quran himself, as he was an illiterate person. Slavery was in practice when he was born. He freed many slaves of those non-believers who became Muslims. He freed all conquered prisoners on condition that they they became teachers in the community. Despite what modern extremists do, He never waged war on women & children, even against the enemy whose men worked in the fields and never bore arms against his armies. These are just a few FACTS about the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) which can be verified in authentic historical books. All this false hatred against ISLAM does not help to bring peace to this world. As Muslims we hold dearly ALL prophets from Adam to Jesus, as written in the Quran, we even say a salutation after mentioning each of their names(peace upun them), yet I have not come across ONE christian who, when mentioning the name of Jesus, or any prophet before him, say any salutation upon mentioning his name. And you say that ISLAM is a cruel and satanic religion?
posted by
shadow-pen
on April 3, 2007 at 3:03 AM
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posted by
Kabu
on April 2, 2007 at 8:29 PM
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i saw troosha comment o you are so intrested today i will write for all of you thanks i have always deep feelings about good and bad so now i discoverd again thanks for your deep hate theugly hate for mohamed but for muslim they have to believe in jesus to be amuslim..to be continued
posted by
drohan254
on April 2, 2007 at 8:37 AM
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iam busy friend now but don;t worry i will be having alot of time to answer you and your great friends good i asked to let every body express the foolish hate
posted by
drohan254
on April 2, 2007 at 8:35 AM
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Yes, Hana, I mean Mohamed, who included in the Qu'ran instructions
on the enslavement of conquered people. Now, as an epileptic, I can understand much of what he went through, the concern with his inspiration and its source, and feel that many of the early surahs(chronologically, though of high numbers) are of a benevolent Spirit (as St. Paul advises us to "discern the spirits"), but something went terribly, horribly wrong when he was exiled and resorted to highway robbery to survive. The Islamic religion has, through the centuries, made itself most visible to the West through its emphasis on surahs 8, 9 and similar. Most Westerners associate Islam with the practices that have come out of these violent, hateful and, yes, Satanic verses, namely assasination, spreading faith with the sword, murdering of apostates and, more recently, hijacking, terrorism and suicide-bombers. It is important that all of us not gloss over this ugly side of Islam, for the merit of Islam lies entirely in its Sufi tradition, which emphasizes the holy verses of the Qu'ran over the satanic ones.
Carl Peter
posted by
cpklapper
on April 2, 2007 at 7:58 AM
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Me again
What a strange correlation – Clay the emancipationist, Ali, the boxer's father being named after him, and then Ali changing his name to a Mohammed. Yet another stretch would be Safaa Mohammed Ali the Iraqi militant who is/was apparently one of the Al-Qaeda. Although the name Mohammed is translated “the praised one” so many in history carried the name yet were not deserving of praise. Thanks inspring me to read more about the name.
posted by
Troosha
on April 2, 2007 at 7:46 AM
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Carl
Shameful, indeed.... Strong poem delivering a good punch of some good and evil, so to speak. "packing people in like meat" or however you said it drove home the atrocity of those times.
posted by
Troosha
on April 2, 2007 at 7:30 AM
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cp clapper whom you ment by islam leader do you mean mohamed
i need aquick answer please if this what you meant this mean that so much wrong things and believes is going in your mind and others mind ..it seem that the people here they just in need to through for them apiece of meat to show their incisors..still i need an explanation
posted by
drohan254
on April 2, 2007 at 6:05 AM
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very nice indeed
posted by
linter
on April 1, 2007 at 10:49 PM
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Thank you for your comment, Neil.
Though we should obviously prosecute any lynchings, and other violent or threatening acts, for which responsible persons or organizations (such as the KKK) are still in existence, I question the usefulness of civil actions based on historically distant injustices where people whose injury is indirect and remote sue others whose benefit is similarly indirect and remote and whose culpability is nonexistant. There are many of us, to be sure, who would be at war with ourselves if we sought retribution for all past offenses throughout history.
The point of my poem was not to demand retribution for slavery, but to point out the false history that would slander the name of Cassius Marcellus Clay ("The Great Emancipator") as being a "slave's name" and hold up as paragons for freedom the names of the early leaders of Islam, who enslaved many people themselves and inspired enslavers within their religion, even to this very day.
posted by
cpklapper
on April 1, 2007 at 10:47 PM
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Your quite welcome, Nautikos!
And thank you for the affirmations, smiles and flowers!
posted by
cpklapper
on April 1, 2007 at 10:21 PM
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Such are the sands of time that they erase even our memories. MoonSpirit 
posted by
syzygy
on April 1, 2007 at 9:59 PM
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candice agree with you CKP?????????
posted by
star4sky5
on April 1, 2007 at 9:04 PM
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posted by
star4sky5
on April 1, 2007 at 7:57 PM
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cpklapper
Oh my.... Such a serious piece of work. I'm in awe of this one in particular as you've painted a pinpoint of history through time so succinctly. Well done! Joy!Mary
posted by
FoliageGold
on April 1, 2007 at 2:34 PM
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lATER I WILL DISCUSS THAT CARL
posted by
drohan254
on April 1, 2007 at 10:36 AM
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Nice poem.
posted by
afzal50
on March 31, 2007 at 10:52 PM
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posted by
Kabu
on March 31, 2007 at 8:37 PM
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Quite the historian, Carl. South Africa in 1990s, USA in 1960s rose higher
than the depths of depraved historical experience... The Truth and Reconciation process is being appreciared more and more. Yesterday I heard someone on the radio said we need TRC for the lynchings in Maryland (and US) especially for the later ones, 1930-1960. I know that some 5,000 persons were lynched since 1880, the worst part is that children and parents would drive miles to attend one in other states. Even Black veterans of World War 1 were lynched. This needs Truth and reconciliation, as much as apartheid had in Africa.\
shalomfromneil
posted by
ILLUMINATI8
on March 31, 2007 at 7:21 PM
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There is no nation that doesnt have some shame in its history.
posted by
proc
on March 31, 2007 at 7:14 PM
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CP
Exellent! Thank you for rferring me to this!
posted by
Nautikos
on March 31, 2007 at 6:36 PM
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