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Naut

I have been reading and reading and reading.. and I am just astounded at this series of posts. I will have to take time to digest the material for a really proper comment. You are an outstanding writer.. and yes.. I will read the book.

posted by Blue_feathers on March 14, 2007 at 10:44 AM | link to this | reply

TAPS

I really appreciate your compliments. If I persuaded a few people to start thinking about these matters, I have achieved my aim...

posted by Nautikos on December 23, 2006 at 6:44 AM | link to this | reply

Nautikos

Thank you so much for the wonderful job you did of reviewing and commenting on the book, America Alone.   You have made me do a lot of thinking and a lot of soul searching about what I really think.  I didn't realize that I was so late getting to this final chapter of your posts on the subject.  Where have I been?  Merry Christmas to you.  I will be looking forward to whatever you write about next.

posted by TAPS. on December 22, 2006 at 6:47 PM | link to this | reply

Whinge,

, and a Merry Christmas to you and your family!

posted by Nautikos on December 22, 2006 at 4:11 PM | link to this | reply

I've got one more thing to add, I think women who are on diets have more of

a priority over any religion, therefore, no one should be allowed eat on streets, or within view of a window when I'm on a diet & all chocolate should be sold from underneath the shop counter out of sight.

Believe you me, there are a lot more women on diets in the world than there are Islamics & we can get a hell of a lot angrier.  Feck sake! Of all the silliness. 

Happy Christmas Naut.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 22, 2006 at 3:29 PM | link to this | reply

Corbin

Thank you very much, and the same to you and yours!

posted by Nautikos on December 22, 2006 at 9:59 AM | link to this | reply

Naut....

posted by Corbin_Dallas on December 22, 2006 at 6:41 AM | link to this | reply

Muser,

I got sidetracked and haven't thanked you for your kind words yet. You might still be interested in reading Steyn's book, a lot of telling detail in there! I do hope this has got some people concerned enough to investigate things on their own!

We are certainly living in interesting times...

posted by Nautikos on December 21, 2006 at 1:45 PM | link to this | reply

Corbin,

Thanks! It doesn't surprise me! 

And let me give you another quote, this one from Steyn's book again (I guess it's like sticky tape, can't get it off my fingers, lol): "What's the most popular baby boy's name in Belgium? Mohammed. In Amsterdam? Mohammed. In Malmo, Sweden? Mohammed."

Of course, I didn't want to fill my entire series wth stuff like that, though I could have! I want people to get interested, think about things and buy the damn book, and hope that some of them will...

And I'm going try and find out what the baby name situation is here in Toronto...

posted by Nautikos on December 21, 2006 at 6:35 AM | link to this | reply

Naut...... just saw this news line.....

it kind of gives your series a more personal meaning.............From the Telegraph:

Mohammed overtakes George in list of most popular names in Britain.....

posted by Corbin_Dallas on December 21, 2006 at 6:08 AM | link to this | reply

Ariel,

I'm looking forward to it. Just don't be too hard on me!  Remember, these were quick posts, not academic papers...

Nonetheless, I am toying with the idea to make more of this, since I have a germ here, plus a lot more material and a few more thoughts on the whole thing. It may in the end depend on whether or not I can find the time...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2006 at 5:58 PM | link to this | reply

And another thing, Whinge,

I am delighted that you got interested! To get people interested and thinking about these things was the whole point of this exercise! You didn't think I did this for the clicks, did you? Because this is a damn poor way of getting any...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2006 at 5:52 PM | link to this | reply

Whinge

It isn't a ban on drinking coffee. It is a ban on drinking coffee in public, (or eating in public) visible to passers-by. Because among those could be Muslims, and they might be offended, since Muslims are not allowed to partake of food and drink between sunrise and sundown during Ramadan...

As to the grave business, the issue is that Muslim religious demands begin to take precedence over the customary and traditional Christian ones! Remember the old saying 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'? Well, the Muslims enter our culture and demand that we do as they do! And we let them!

There is more on that in the link, by the way.

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2006 at 5:47 PM | link to this | reply

Naut, again

 

Oops! Senior moment there!

Neraly midnite here, off to bed.

posted by ariel70 on December 20, 2006 at 2:50 PM | link to this | reply

Nautikos

 

I haven't forgotten that I must send a well-deserved,long, and thought out comment on your impressive magnum opus!

You know about the main emotional thing in my life, but I've also got a lot else going on right now, hence, I haven't been around the Blogit 'hood much lately.

I hope to catch up withyou soon ; after I've re-read and digested your work. My old brain's already fermenting with ideas. You swine! LOL

posted by ariel70 on December 20, 2006 at 2:49 PM | link to this | reply

I look forward to your reply which I will have to wait till tomorrow

evening to read, you've inadvertently got me interested in this (bet you're wishing you hadn't).

Bedtime for me now, goodnight.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 20, 2006 at 2:34 PM | link to this | reply

Naut, sorry to harp on about the coffee, but what is the basis for this

cop coffee drinking ban during Ramadan? Mr. W is curious about this also.

Maybe I should get more Catholic & have 14 kids like my gran so my culture is more protected?  Mind you I'll have no figure left, just a set of hips with my head resting on top.

Regarding the cemetaries, curious also, but I plan on being toast, as I don't believe in occupying land better used for picnics or parks.

 

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 20, 2006 at 2:32 PM | link to this | reply

Whinge

So Leone doesn't want to say her prayers? Too bad (and that's an agnostic speaking, lol.) There may come a time when she might not be allowed to, at least not publicly, even if she wanted to. And speaking of prayers reminds me of this:

"The cemetery where all face Mecca": "Burial plots have, by tradition, pointed east, in line with Christian beliefs. But a council in the East Midlands has taken the controversial decision to position thousands of headstones in a new £4 million cemetery facing in a north-easterly direction. … Christian groups yesterday expressed dismay at a policy that they say "marginalises" them and accommodates Muslims at the expense of other faiths. The Nottingham city council decision rubber-stamps a proposal by the local Cemeteries Consultative Committee (CCC), which claims it will give the new High Wood cemetery in Bulwell, ‘a tidy appearance."

You see, Muslims look over their right shoulder towards Mecca, so when they're in the grave, they'd be 'looking' South-East... 

Christians want to be buried east-west because the Saviour comes from the East...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2006 at 1:22 PM | link to this | reply

Ok, Naut, now when it affects simple things like that, I'm worried, not

making light of it anymore.  No one messes with coffee drinking and gets away with it. Didn't realise there was such a presence in Brussels.

We only get Italian in this house aswell, we've probably found about the only Italian wholesaler in Munster, he makes espressos for us when we come there.  I have to get Mr. W out of there in 15 mins before he spends the whole months wages on all the yummies.

That is quite an interesting little fact & quite ridiculous.  Before we were thinking of moving to the U.S. we were thinking about Stockholm for it's great social policies, but as I mentioned my brother in law warned us off.

Here, we still have the churches running the majority of schools, Leone goes mental, as she doesn't believe in Catholicism (though that's how she was raised in a lapsed sorta way), and insists on wanting the choice to not say grace before lunchtime and after, or as she puts it 'wastes 40 minutes a day' on prayers.  She's very opinionated, but in a logical way.  I advised her to respect it and be tolerant, that she can make more informed decisions when she's older.  From the way things are heading, she may have other issues to worry about.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 20, 2006 at 12:42 PM | link to this | reply

Whinge,

French coffee sure ain't what it used to be, which is why I am drinking a lot of espresso Italiano these days...

And speaking of coffee reminds me that the cops in Brussels are no longer allowed to drink coffee in public during Ramadan...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2006 at 12:21 PM | link to this | reply

LeRoy

thanks for your comments! And it does raise an important issue. Maybe the policy makers are hoping the children of the these 'workers' will be making a positive contribution...

Incidentally, the situation is similar in the US - while certain sectors of the economy benefit from the Mexican invasion, for the country as a whole it represents an economic negative...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2006 at 12:15 PM | link to this | reply

This would concern me more if the French had put on the coffee more in the

shared machine at the call centre I worked in.

Seriously though, it is a concern, and though I haven't been to mainland Europe in a goodish while, I would like to think that if I do I can expect the same culture to a degree.  My brother in law informs us the same is happening in Stockholm, because it has such a progressive social scheme, a lot of refugees etc... have settled there.

He said up until the 90's, Stockholm was an extremely clean city, with open access to everyone, now there are neighbourhoods you just can't go to & graffiti gangs messing with the very envirofriendly clean appearance of the city.  If anything is said, it is taken as an ethnic thing, whereby in actuality it is just a get your act together thing.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 20, 2006 at 11:44 AM | link to this | reply

Naut, excellent work

Bringing up S. Steele's book is very pertinent.  What i don't get is :How does importing "workers" to prop up your economy top heavy with geezers work if the imported workers have a 40% unemployement rate and are on welfare?

posted by LeRoyCoyote on December 20, 2006 at 11:20 AM | link to this | reply

BRAVO! BRAVO! Nautikos, this very interesting, well written series of

posts has been greatly informative, and a pleasure to read...so much so that I will probably not read Steyn's book. I have read enough on this subject to know that your succinct commentary is spot on. You have done a great service in alerting your readers to the dangers inherent in the rising growth of militant Islam. By allowing this threat to continue unchecked, I believe that each of us will ultimately have to wrestle with some form of grave personal disaster as a result of the majority of society's unwillingness to accept that militant Islam is indeed a threat.

posted by muser on December 20, 2006 at 11:13 AM | link to this | reply

bel

I NEVER kiss and tell...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2006 at 7:24 AM | link to this | reply

Just returning the gesture

  Shhhhhhhhhhh now don't tell anyone they might get jealous!  LOL!

posted by bel_1965 on December 20, 2006 at 6:59 AM | link to this | reply

Nautikos

Love the part about we won't be here to worry about it anyway.lol

posted by WileyJohn on December 19, 2006 at 8:42 PM | link to this | reply

Corbin,

Thanks, I really appreciate you comment! You're right, we need to get our people, Americans and Canadians alike, out of their insularity...

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 5:48 PM | link to this | reply

Naut......

I can't say enough good things about your series.........quality work, my friend.  and i see the visits picked up......you're going to introduce Geopolitics to them, even if they have to be brought here kicking and screaming....LOL!

posted by Corbin_Dallas on December 19, 2006 at 5:16 PM | link to this | reply

strat

thanks for the compliment. And I do hope that others will follow your example and go to the library or even buy the book...

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 5:07 PM | link to this | reply

Whinge,

do you mind if I just refer you to the answer I gave to Wiley?

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 5:04 PM | link to this | reply

Wiley, thanks for the compliments!

The next thing I have to say is that I hope I am wrong, that Steyn is wrong and everyone else who is looking at this situation. And I mean that sincerely!

Trouble is, I have not been able to persuade myself of that. Mind you, I am not suggesting that conquering Arab armies are going to parade through the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, down the Champs Elysee in Paris or along Pall Mall in London.

What I am suggesting is that Western Culture as we know it is going to fade away, gradually replaced by something alien, alien to us, that is.

What I know of history tells me that a culture that has lost its confidence is doomed. And a culture whose elites are committed to official multi-culturalism and 'political correctness', and which permits its central Mythos to whither away has lost its confidence.

Of course, history is never static, and even radical changes take generations to take hold, unless they are revolutions. And even then they often take longer than is visible at first glance. When we are talking about the rise of Islam, we are witnessing the beginning phase of a long process. None of us alive today will see the outcome. But because it is a gradual process, future generations will be largely accustomed to it and may see it as 'normal'. Since that, after all, defines 'normality' - that which we are accustomed to.

If you brought back a European who lived a hundred years ago, he would still recognize his culture, once he got over the 'surface' changes in technology and in the different political borders. He would still recognize the laws, the ethos, and the Mythos. But I am afraid that, if I came back a hundred hence, I would not recognize very much, much less enjoy it, since I am a child of this culture, as we all are...

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 5:04 PM | link to this | reply

Ok, Mr. W, thinks I am a spacer & should watch the news more often as I

don't recall the riots in France last year, hello Mr. W, I was raising your sprog??

Mr. W, will read this when he gets a chance, and is taking a break from the sound of my beautiful voice/nagging.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 19, 2006 at 3:01 PM | link to this | reply

Wiley, I'm glad you said that first, I don't know a whole lot either about

it and was unsure of whether my limited knowledge was correct, but think the same.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 19, 2006 at 12:56 PM | link to this | reply

Nautikos

This has all been a marvelous piece of writing my friend, and you can take that as a truth because I had to go to much greater pain to read and try to digest it than most would.

I could not try to please you by engaging in too great a depth of discussion, because I would not feign being wise, just to impress, and I really don't have a great knowledge of all that you discussed here.

My first hand experiences of the Arab world in Algeria and Morocco, didn't leave me with a burning desire to join them or convert to their religious faith. 

At the time, as an active alcoholic during those years,I came from a faith that has been even more demonic through history than Islam ever thought of or is capable of being. Christianity just didn't have aircraft during the inquisition to kill folks with.-;)

The one observation I will make however, is that I truly don't envision Islam taking over the world or even Europe, ever.

In my humble opinion and limited knowledge, I don't think Arabs have ever taken over any other society really, or conquered a nation,because they are split into so many different factions fighting among themselves, they can't hold together long enough to be successful 'winners.'

Now, I still think that was a marvelous piece of writing you did here, and I can say I wouldn't have wasted my time at it, unless I felt I was reading the work of an extremely captivating scholar, who has shared the cornucopia of his mind with me.

Cheers my friend.!!

posted by WileyJohn on December 19, 2006 at 12:50 PM | link to this | reply

BRAVO!

Excellent, excellent work. And I'm going to the library tonight!

posted by strat on December 19, 2006 at 11:41 AM | link to this | reply

Thanks Naut, I have a bit of a tummy bug anyway

Cheers anyway, I did already read the first part, Ireland is not on the extinction list, though with Irish guys & their wooing skills, I think thats pretty much taken care of.  This is why I married an American.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 19, 2006 at 10:57 AM | link to this | reply

Okay, it's always good to start at the beginning,

and in the meantime I shall be tele-porting the glass of scotch I can't have in your direction, since the need has arisen to drive, and our constabulary is already on Christmas alert... 

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 10:49 AM | link to this | reply

I'll go back to the start if you pass around that bottle!

Still prefer Glenfiddich, smoooooth.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 19, 2006 at 10:40 AM | link to this | reply

The problem is, and in a sense

begins, with the sad fact that all those you have mentioned, and many more, are actually dying out, a matter addressed in greater detail in the first instalment of my mini-series...

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 10:37 AM | link to this | reply

Whinge

The peaty scotch you're referring to is called Lagavulin, of which I have a 16 year old version in my posession! I will admit it's an acquired taste, but, once acquired, quite rewarding...

The trouble is, of course, that the old principle still applies - you can't have your scotch and drink it...

As far as the unpleasant issue is concerned, yes, I am (as well as Steyn is) referring mainly to Europe, but in almost equal measure to England, Londonistan, for example...

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 10:32 AM | link to this | reply

Mind you, I don't think that any Islamics have a chance here against the

Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Czechs, Russians & Romanians.

We won't have leprechauns here any more without the Russian hats, colourful Romanian skirts, gold teeth & bottles of vodka.

Mind you, it's no harm to get Ireland more multicultural, better choice of food & alcohol.

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 19, 2006 at 10:30 AM | link to this | reply

OFFBEATS

thanks for the flower!

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 10:23 AM | link to this | reply

Shite, what'll happen to Glenfiddich scotch if these scary people get to

Scotland, that would be a tragedy.

Mind you we could fend them off with that peaty stuff I don't like Craigavullen or Nagavullen (something-a-vullen), tastes like a peat briquette cold toddy.

Is it mainland Europe you're talking about?

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 19, 2006 at 10:02 AM | link to this | reply

posted by Offy on December 19, 2006 at 9:51 AM | link to this | reply

Whinge,

You don't live in Europe! That the Emerald Isle, that place of magic, poets and source of whiskey only slightly inferior to good scotch is part of 'Europe' is merely a self-serving myth concocted by the Eurocrats...

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 5:31 AM | link to this | reply

Is this the same Europe I'm living in or am I just totally oblivious?

posted by CringeintheUSA on December 19, 2006 at 5:09 AM | link to this | reply

Joe Love,

thank you for your kind words. You're right of course: even if it has made a difference to only one person, it has been a success. And in this case there may be even more than one: you, OFFBEATS, TAPS, strat, maybe Muser and Max, and then of course there were those to whom this wasn't really news...

There has been welcome support from those who read me usually, but I do confess to, if not frustration, at least some surprise and disappointment not to have heard any intelligent comments from those on the left of the political spectrum. But then, I have found before that the left has a hard time dealing with Islamo-fascism, or even recognizing it...

And don't worry, I'll be coming back to this topic! I'm like a dog with his favorite bone, he may bury it temporarily, but he'll dig it out again, just can't help letting it go...

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2006 at 5:00 AM | link to this | reply

Nautikos

I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed your discussion of Mark Stein's book and your personal beliefs on the spread of Islam.  I hope you have not decided to discontinue blogging about it out of frustration.  It's one of the more interesting discussions (series of blogs) on Blogit at current.

Always remember, if you have made 1 person understand, learn, or consider your point, then you have succeeded.  I, for one, will be watching news about the happenings in Europe (stories pertaining to Islamic issues) more carefully.  Before, I never paid attention to them AT ALL.

posted by Joe_Love on December 18, 2006 at 9:43 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks, OFFBEATS,

I think you'll find the book both interesting and shocking...

posted by Nautikos on December 18, 2006 at 4:31 PM | link to this | reply

It should read...thank you for bringing us this series Naut....me and my typo's..

posted by Offy on December 18, 2006 at 4:14 PM | link to this | reply

Naut

Thank you for bringing up this series...it has been enlightening and has answered many questions that I would have never thought to ask...I believe I shall do as you recommend...but the book! Thank you again my friend~

posted by Offy on December 18, 2006 at 4:07 PM | link to this | reply

bel

Of course, this isn't 'politics' in the usual sense, but thanks for dropping in, I'm always glad to see you...

posted by Nautikos on December 18, 2006 at 10:47 AM | link to this | reply

You know my rule about politics these days

but I dropped by to tell you that I don't snoop!

posted by bel_1965 on December 18, 2006 at 7:04 AM | link to this | reply